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Re: JJ Abrams: "Rey's parents are not in Episode VII"

Post by Mana on Sat 16 Apr - 3:59

Pablo: Oh great, now that JJ's let the cat out of they bag, I can debunk this ridiculous theory once and for all too.

JJ: umm...that's not what I meant guys....ummm

Pablo: Oh ****......
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Re: JJ Abrams: "Rey's parents are not in Episode VII"

Post by SoloSideCousin on Sat 16 Apr - 4:00

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@Gemini wrote:I know his statement is damage control but im just p***** now..sorry..Im angry at him, he should have just left it be.
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I don't know. Maybe he didn't really have an option legally.
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Or professionally.  Disney is powerful, so powerful.  He got a phone call.
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Re: JJ Abrams: "Rey's parents are not in Episode VII"

Post by Xylo Ren on Sat 16 Apr - 4:02

Prepare for a Pablo tweet with the same tune. That's next.
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Re: JJ Abrams: "Rey's parents are not in Episode VII"

Post by vaderito on Sat 16 Apr - 4:02

Guys, I expected some kind of retraction but I'm shocked how laughably bad this one is. he isn't even trying. It's as if Disney told him he had to say anything and he did just that, said anything. It's a bad DC statement. He wasn't misquoted. He was caught on camera. Everyone can hear what he said.

Moreover, PH obviously thought was OK to support his quote as "they are not in TFA". So miscommunication. PH didn't get the memo on time. It's a clusterf*** that this half-a**ed DC statement confirms 100%.It's a bad unconvincing spin on his genuine words when he was caught off guard and couldn't think up some BS answer.
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Re: JJ Abrams: "Rey's parents are not in Episode VII"

Post by FrolickingFizzgig on Sat 16 Apr - 4:04

He likely didn't have any other choice. When things go viral, damage control often has to be done. @AnneNeville is probably right, this was likely about him getting in trouble with those at the top. It's a tricky business.

This is no different from Boyega going back on debunking Stormpilot. Not long after Boyega said Finn and Poe was just a bromance, the higher-ups decided it made them look bad, so they opted to have JJ and Boyega make statements about how there would be gay characters in Star Wars. It didn't mean Finn and Poe would be those gay characters.

Boyega also said that he "didn't know what the script for Episode IX" would be like, so he he "couldn't say if Stormpilot could or couldn't happen."

This was the same kind of damage control, but both statements are essentially meaningless and in no way alter the original statements. Finn and Poe is just a "bromance" and Rey's parents weren't in The Force Awakens.
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Re: JJ Abrams: "Rey's parents are not in Episode VII"

Post by AnneNeville on Sat 16 Apr - 4:09

@Force22 wrote:
@Mana wrote:Pablo: Oh great, now that JJ's let the cat out of they bag, I can debunk this ridiculous theory once and for all too.

JJ: umm...that's not what I meant guys....ummm

Pablo: Oh ****......
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Don't worry, Rey Skywalker supporters understand PH words in a way that doesn't debunk their theory. No problems.

But I thought I could hear relief in Pablo's words. Oh, well, many more months with people annoying him asking if he's a Skywalker...
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Pablo managed to support what JJ said without outright confirming it because he is really, really good at this game and I have to say that I respect that. And he gave us the "Kylo is the Skywalker in TFA" statement, too.
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Re: JJ Abrams: "Rey's parents are not in Episode VII"

Post by MoonFyre on Sat 16 Apr - 4:09

@Mana wrote:Pablo: Oh great, now that JJ's let the cat out of they bag, I can debunk this ridiculous theory once and for all too.

JJ: umm...that's not what I meant guys....ummm

Pablo: Oh ****......
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Poor Pablo there's no going back from this, the internet is written in permanent ink. But really there's nothing he could do, after all it's JJ himself who started it. Laughing
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Re: JJ Abrams: "Rey's parents are not in Episode VII"

Post by vaderito on Sat 16 Apr - 4:10

They were never going to debunk Rey Skywalker openly. I was shocked when it happened today and expected some DC which happened, as Fizz said, same statement but rehearsed. But nothign changes the fact that he said it and it was followed by PH tweets. It doesn't amtter what Rey Skywalker camp believes. You be the judge based on JJ's unrehersed statement, PH tweets and JJ rehearsed statement. I think that they are sick of this but higher ups want it kept under the wraps. But annoyance seeps through. First DR, now JJ, PH was losing patience for months already. basically, they all say she is not without actually saying...except that JJ actually said it.
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Re: JJ Abrams: "Rey's parents are not in Episode VII"

Post by CienaRee on Sat 16 Apr - 4:10

Lol,poor gullible Rey Skywalker fabs they've already fallen for this damage control crap and believe JJ made a genuine mistake because there's no way Rey's not a Skywalker.Yeah,right.There's also the tiny matter if Pablo debunking  Rey Skywalker as well but he's just a troll so who cares.
This is such a mess,seriously.

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Re: JJ Abrams: "Rey's parents are not in Episode VII"

Post by FrolickingFizzgig on Sat 16 Apr - 4:12

@Xylo Ren wrote:Prepare for a Pablo tweet with the same tune. That's next.
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Pablo didn't say anything too bad, certainly not as bad as JJ himself. He's careful like that. Instead of saying "He's right, Rey isn't a Skywalker" he says "People on the internet have made up their minds about Rey, so nothing will stop the debates. Rey is Rey". We can all see that he meant the former, but people could explain away the latter by saying he's stating the obvious or trolling. The same goes for "Kylo is the Skywalker in The Force Awakens". Well yes, of course he is. It's a wake-up call people seriously needed to hear regardless of any Rey Skywalker debunking, but one could argue that it doesn't say anything about Rey.

I think Pablo's safe. He knows how to word his Tweets.
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Re: JJ Abrams: "Rey's parents are not in Episode VII"

Post by AnneNeville on Sat 16 Apr - 4:16

This is a good moment to post this:



It isn't new, but it's pertinent.
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Re: JJ Abrams: "Rey's parents are not in Episode VII"

Post by vaderito on Sat 16 Apr - 4:18

can we all agree that JJ's DC is one of the worst in history of bad DC? Because what he said was so unrefutable that they couldn't come up with anything.
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Re: JJ Abrams: "Rey's parents are not in Episode VII"

Post by IoJovi on Sat 16 Apr - 4:20

Yeah, I want to say I could have lived without this entire debacle tonight, but the other part tells me it was a sincere gaffe and we still should be celebrating like the "clarification" never happened.

I'm going with the latter. Party on!
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Re: JJ Abrams: "Rey's parents are not in Episode VII"

Post by spacebaby45678 on Sat 16 Apr - 4:21

Oh, what a tangled web we weave When first we practice to deceive!

i for one, have no sympathy for JJ. Tell a story without a mystery box. This is Star Wars, mystery boxes do not belong in this genre. Then you won't have to clarify, explain, and deflect about your movie, plot, and characters .


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Re: JJ Abrams: "Rey's parents are not in Episode VII"

Post by Sylvia Snow on Sat 16 Apr - 4:21

@AnneNeville wrote:This is a good moment to post this:



It isn't new, but it's pertinent.
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Re: JJ Abrams: "Rey's parents are not in Episode VII"

Post by AnneNeville on Sat 16 Apr - 4:26

Just in from Daisy Ridley:



A poster on tumblr noted: "she wasn’t even tagged. it was just a hashtag search…"
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Re: JJ Abrams: "Rey's parents are not in Episode VII"

Post by MoonFyre on Sat 16 Apr - 4:28

Debunking Rey Skywalker openly is a domino effect to the other spoilers: Reylo and Kylo's redemption. No wonder they are trying to salvage it. Now involving Mark Hamill as well:



It's obvious that people are getting phone calls now from Disney lol.

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Re: JJ Abrams: "Rey's parents are not in Episode VII"

Post by FrolickingFizzgig on Sat 16 Apr - 4:29

@spacebaby45678 wrote:Oh, what a tangled web we weave When first we practice to deceive!

i for one, have no sympathy for JJ. Tell a story without a mystery box. This is Star Wars, mystery boxes do not belong in this genre. Then you won't have to clarify, explain, and deflect about your movie, plot, and characters .
@spacebaby45678
This is why it was a fair decision to have JJ do Episode VII and only Episode VII. He's pretty brilliant when it comes to starting conflicts and getting people invested, but he's not so great at coming through with what he's created. Rian Johnson will be able to pick up where he left off seamlessly and without the emphasis on all the big mysteries.

JJ's damage control was pretty meaningless, but that's the whole idea I guess. If it was the best thing to do for his NDA I have nothing to say. It was probably out of his hands.
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Post by CienaRee on Sat 16 Apr - 4:29

Also even though he's clearly doing damage control the wording he uses is really interesting.He says she doesn't discover them not that she finds it who they are which I think is  another way in debunking her being a Skywalker without doing it so openly since Rey discoveries Luke meaning he's not  her father.It's also impossible for her mother to already be in her world in TFA because the only age appropriate character that could be her mother is Leia  and that was already debunked.Seriously even the damage control is lazy and makes no  sense.
It's very much like the situation where John Boyega debunked StormPilot and then backtracked on it even though it's becoming more obvious they won't be happening and Finn's getting a love interest.


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Re: JJ Abrams: "Rey's parents are not in Episode VII"

Post by Mana on Sat 16 Apr - 4:29

JJ debunks Rey Skywalker... and Daisy's first instinct is to search the Reylo tag!?!?!
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Re: JJ Abrams: "Rey's parents are not in Episode VII"

Post by vaderito on Sat 16 Apr - 4:32

Guys, told you, this is huge. JJ slipped. badly. DC is failing. Seriously, you know that you expected DC. It's impossible not to do DC when something like this happens. But considering how clumsy they are with it, they know they are f***ed. JJ's oriignal statement at the event is unrefutable. he meant what he meant.
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Re: JJ Abrams: "Rey's parents are not in Episode VII"

Post by AnneNeville on Sat 16 Apr - 4:32

@MoonFyre wrote:Debunking Rey Skywalker openly is a domino effect to the other spoilers: Reylo and Kylo's redemption. No wonder they are trying to salvage it. Now involving Mark Hamill as well:



It's obvious that people are getting phone calls now from Disney lol.

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Re: JJ Abrams: "Rey's parents are not in Episode VII"

Post by IoJovi on Sat 16 Apr - 4:35

@Mana wrote:JJ debunks Rey Skywalker... and Daisy's first instinct is to search the Reylo tag!?!?!
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Seriously!!! That is quite funny!!!
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Re: JJ Abrams: "Rey's parents are not in Episode VII"

Post by Sylvia Snow on Sat 16 Apr - 4:38

@Mana wrote:JJ debunks Rey Skywalker... and Daisy's first instinct is to search the Reylo tag!?!?!
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My guess is that some cast members are going to "like" a Reylo fanart again ROFL


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