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Post by Armadeus on Wed 8 Jun 2016 - 13:28

To anyone else reading the Princess Leia comics (Rebel Jail arc):

(I may or may not be serious) Anyone else wondering why the Rebellion is keeping Han and Luke around? I mean, those two are like walking liabilities. I get that maybe the Rebellion isn't in a position to be choosy, but I feel a line has to be drawn somewhere. If I was in charge, I'd be sending them a 'Thanks, but no thanks' memo.
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Post by panki on Wed 8 Jun 2016 - 16:05

@Armadeus wrote:To anyone else reading the Princess Leia comics (Rebel Jail arc):

(I may or may not be serious) Anyone else wondering why the Rebellion is keeping Han and Luke around? I mean, those two are like walking liabilities. I get that maybe the Rebellion isn't in a position to be choosy, but I feel a line has to be drawn somewhere. If I was in charge, I'd be sending them a 'Thanks, but no thanks' memo.
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Completely agree! They seem to be the comedy and general nuisance element of the story arc....carrying illegal livestock, getting captured and covered with explosives etc.... Razz That being said, I love Doctor Aphra and her snarky comments, goading Sana and poor Leia having to keep them from murdering each other... Razz

I'm also very intrigued by the long term effects of force lightning on FS and non-FS people after seeing what has happened to Eneb Ray....

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Post by Armadeus on Wed 8 Jun 2016 - 19:34

@panki wrote:
@Armadeus wrote:To anyone else reading the Princess Leia comics (Rebel Jail arc):

(I may or may not be serious) Anyone else wondering why the Rebellion is keeping Han and Luke around? I mean, those two are like walking liabilities. I get that maybe the Rebellion isn't in a position to be choosy, but I feel a line has to be drawn somewhere. If I was in charge, I'd be sending them a 'Thanks, but no thanks' memo.
@Armadeus

Completely agree! They seem to be the comedy and general nuisance element of the story arc....carrying illegal livestock, getting captured and covered with explosives etc.... Razz That being said, I love Doctor Aphra and her snarky comments, goading Sana and poor Leia having to keep them from murdering each other... Razz

I'm also very intrigued by the long term effects of force lightning on FS and non-FS people after seeing what has happened to Eneb Ray....
@panki

I'm curious to see how Aphra's gonna handle learning that Vader wants her dead. Wonder if she'll throw her lot in with the Rebellion. I'm sure they could use a droid specialist.
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Post by panki on Thu 9 Jun 2016 - 2:39

@Armadeus wrote:
@panki wrote:
@Armadeus wrote:To anyone else reading the Princess Leia comics (Rebel Jail arc):

(I may or may not be serious) Anyone else wondering why the Rebellion is keeping Han and Luke around? I mean, those two are like walking liabilities. I get that maybe the Rebellion isn't in a position to be choosy, but I feel a line has to be drawn somewhere. If I was in charge, I'd be sending them a 'Thanks, but no thanks' memo.
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Completely agree! They seem to be the comedy and general nuisance element of the story arc....carrying illegal livestock, getting captured and covered with explosives etc....  Razz  That being said, I love Doctor Aphra and her snarky comments, goading Sana and poor Leia having to keep them from murdering each other... Razz

I'm also very intrigued by the long term effects of force lightning on FS and non-FS people after seeing what has happened to Eneb Ray....
@panki

I'm curious to see how Aphra's gonna handle learning that Vader wants her dead. Wonder if she'll throw her lot in with the Rebellion. I'm sure they could use a droid specialist.
@Armadeus

Maybe Leia and the resistance will track Doctor Aphra (they mentioned how they've placed trackers on her) and they'll reach just in time to save her from Vader? I'd love to see her join the resistance and cause lots of trouble for the imperials.....the resistance could use a droid specialist but would Bee Tee and 0-0-0 join the resistance or remain with the imperials?

But I also have a bad feeling Vader might finish her off.....in the first Vader comics, she tells Vader that if he must kill her, she requested it be done quickly with a lightsaber through the neck....could it be foreshadowing?

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Post by panki on Thu 9 Jun 2016 - 2:41

Poe Dameron Issue #3 is out.... are we seeing the first official romantic couple of the ST?



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Post by panki on Wed 29 Jun 2016 - 5:07

The first of the four-part comic series of "The Force Awakens" is finally out and I'm a little disappointed.... the first page was really weird, particularly how the characters are introduced. Err no

I'll probably get the rest to complete the collection but I'm not a fan so far!  Mad

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Re: General Discussion: Canon Novels/Comics/Short Stories

Post by EchoBase on Wed 29 Jun 2016 - 5:34

@panki wrote:The first of the four-part comic series of "The Force Awakens" is finally out and I'm a little disappointed.... the first page was really weird, particularly how the characters are introduced. Err no

I'll probably get the rest to complete the collection but I'm not a fan so far!  Mad

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@panki

I have to wait until September Sad. I've read reviews, they weren't really positive. I've just finished the Leia mini-series and was also a bit dissappointed (lame story and the illustrations were not really convincing). But I loved Obi-Wan and Anakin!

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Post by panki on Wed 29 Jun 2016 - 5:54

@EchoBase wrote:
@panki wrote:The first of the four-part comic series of "The Force Awakens" is finally out and I'm a little disappointed.... the first page was really weird, particularly how the characters are introduced. Err no

I'll probably get the rest to complete the collection but I'm not a fan so far!  Mad

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@panki

I have to wait until September Sad. I've read reviews, they weren't really positive. I've just finished the Leia mini-series and was also a bit dissappointed (lame story and the illustrations were not really convincing). But I loved Obi-Wan and Anakin!

@EchoBase

Obiwan & Anakin was really good!

Sometimes I wonder whether Lor San Tekka would have been able to tell the difference between jedi and sith knowledge/ artifacts after reading of how the Scavenger mistook sith artifacts for jedi ones (which Obi-wan wisely figured out)....maybe he inadvertently passed dark side knowledge to Luke and his acolytes?

My second favourite series is the Vader comic series (especially Doctor Aphra and the droids)... the Leia comics series was quite dull..... Rolling Eyes

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Post by panki on Fri 29 Jul 2016 - 9:38

The Force Awakens comic #2 is out...... still no unmasked Kylo..... Mad Mad Mad Mad But hopefully we'll get the bridal carry in the next comic... Very Happy

The good news- Finn and Rey have been depicted like a pair of bickering siblings so far Very Happy

In the meantime, a little space rage....  Twisted Evil  

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Post by panki on Wed 10 Aug 2016 - 23:48

Interesting development in the latest Darth Vader comic....Cylo V had a switch to deactivate Vader's suit and he used it....while sitting deactivated, Vader confronted his emotions in the form of Obi-wan, himself as the jedi Anakin and Padme....he hates Obi-wan for not killing him and he hates himself for killing Obi-wan...Also, it looks like Vader and Anakin have split into two completely different personalities during this time...and the Vader personality has become very strong and ruthless. Confus This is definitely going to have some impact in the ST. (maybe Vader is still living in that helmet)

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Here are a few excerpts....

First, Obi-wan





Then Anakin (his jedi self with blue lightsaber)





Finally Padme





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Post by AppleCrumble122 on Thu 11 Aug 2016 - 1:51

@panki wrote:The Force Awakens comic #2 is out...... still no unmasked Kylo..... Mad Mad Mad Mad But hopefully we'll get the bridal carry in the next comic... Very Happy

The good news- Finn and Rey have been depicted like a pair of bickering siblings so far Very Happy

In the meantime, a little space rage....  Twisted Evil  

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@panki

Oh my goodness... looks like the artwork still hasn't improved. The first issue was awful! Poe looked like he was in his sixties LOL! Oh well, looking forward to seeing the Reylo interactions anyway.

Hey Panki, did you ever read the Obsession comics?
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Post by Armadeus on Thu 11 Aug 2016 - 1:52

Anyone seen the latest issue of the Journal of Ben Kenobi?

Holy crap, Owen and Beru are kinda awesome.
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Post by panki on Thu 11 Aug 2016 - 3:00

@AppleCrumble122 wrote:
@panki wrote:The Force Awakens comic #2 is out...... still no unmasked Kylo..... Mad Mad Mad Mad But hopefully we'll get the bridal carry in the next comic... Very Happy

The good news- Finn and Rey have been depicted like a pair of bickering siblings so far Very Happy

In the meantime, a little space rage....  Twisted Evil  

Spoiler:
@panki

Oh my goodness... looks like the artwork still hasn't improved. The first issue was awful! Poe looked like he was in his sixties LOL! Oh well, looking forward to seeing the Reylo interactions anyway.

Hey Panki, did you ever read the Obsession comics?
@AppleCrumble122

I LOVE the Obsession series!!! Am hoping some of the stories are brought into canon..... Very Happy (not the ventress and kenobi obsession part thought Razz)

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Post by AppleCrumble122 on Thu 11 Aug 2016 - 3:10

@panki wrote:
@AppleCrumble122 wrote:
@panki wrote:The Force Awakens comic #2 is out...... still no unmasked Kylo..... Mad Mad Mad Mad But hopefully we'll get the bridal carry in the next comic... Very Happy

The good news- Finn and Rey have been depicted like a pair of bickering siblings so far Very Happy

In the meantime, a little space rage....  Twisted Evil  

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@panki

Oh my goodness... looks like the artwork still hasn't improved. The first issue was awful! Poe looked like he was in his sixties LOL! Oh well, looking forward to seeing the Reylo interactions anyway.

Hey Panki, did you ever read the Obsession comics?
@AppleCrumble122

I LOVE the Obsession series!!! Am hoping some of the stories are brought into canon..... Very Happy
@panki

Whoo! Silly question I know, of course you would have lol Wink. I'm gonna be honest, I was really disappointed that the Obi-Wan/Asajj relationship wasn't brought into canon - specifically the 2008 Clone Wars. There were hints of it here and there but it wasn't fully explored, but the relationship was so intense and engaging with ambiguity in it as in you never never really sure what their true feelings for each other were and in my opinion it fitted with the whole redemption theme of SW as well as the hero/villain romance themes. Still I haven't seen all of Clone Wars so I don't know the full extent of the Obi-Wan/Satine relationship and I haven't read Dark Disciple either (that's on my reading list lol).

I also loved how they brought Durge back and he got better development in it then the 2003 Clone Wars. Do you think he'll ever come back into canon?
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Post by panki on Thu 11 Aug 2016 - 3:56

@AppleCrumble122 wrote:
@panki wrote:
@AppleCrumble122 wrote:
@panki wrote:The Force Awakens comic #2 is out...... still no unmasked Kylo..... Mad Mad Mad Mad But hopefully we'll get the bridal carry in the next comic... Very Happy

The good news- Finn and Rey have been depicted like a pair of bickering siblings so far Very Happy

In the meantime, a little space rage....  Twisted Evil  

Spoiler:
@panki

Oh my goodness... looks like the artwork still hasn't improved. The first issue was awful! Poe looked like he was in his sixties LOL! Oh well, looking forward to seeing the Reylo interactions anyway.

Hey Panki, did you ever read the Obsession comics?
@AppleCrumble122

I LOVE the Obsession series!!! Am hoping some of the stories are brought into canon..... Very Happy
@panki

Whoo! Silly question I know, of course you would have lol Wink. I'm gonna be honest, I was really disappointed that the Obi-Wan/Asajj relationship wasn't brought into canon - specifically the 2008 Clone Wars. There were hints of it here and there but it wasn't fully explored, but the relationship was so intense and engaging with ambiguity in it as in you never never really sure what their true feelings for each other were and in my opinion it fitted with the whole redemption theme of SW as well as the hero/villain romance themes. Still I haven't seen all of Clone Wars so I don't know the full extent of the Obi-Wan/Satine relationship and I haven't read Dark Disciple either (that's on my reading list lol).

I also loved how they brought Durge back and he got better development in it then the 2003 Clone Wars. Do you think he'll ever come back into canon?
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It is funny....when someone in the old forum told me that Ventress was now Vos's LI in canon, I was really outraged because I loved the Obi-wan and Ventress relationship in SW Republic and Obsession....then I read Dark Disciple and fell completely in love with the Vos-Ventress relationship (wept buckets at the end of the book- it is possibly one of the best books in canon) and I just cannot imagine it any other way...if I look at it objectively, I think it is because the EU Ventress is not the same as the canon Ventress.....I read somewhere that GL liked her character but didn't want her to be a sith...so she has actually ended up being a much sweeter character and a Nightsister in canon- more grey than dark....helping Ahsoka, saving that kidnapped alien girl, etc....now that I think about it, this iteration of Ventress is a combination of Vos's EU LIs- Shylar and Khaleen....while the EU Ventress personality was used for the Seventh Sister in Rebels down to the little crustacean robots she uses to find things.



Another possibility for this development is that the Obi-wan- Ventress relationship would undermine the Obi-wan-Satine relationship- making him hop from LI to LI....I don't know if you've seen any of the Clone Wars episodes about the Mandalorians, but Satine reminds me of a non-FS Siri Tachi....so I like her. Smile

I haven't had a chance to see the old clone wars cartoon as yet...but I like Durge in the comics....maybe they'll bring him into Rebels and make him work for Vader since he used bounty hunters?

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Post by panki on Thu 11 Aug 2016 - 4:21

@Armadeus wrote:Anyone seen the latest issue of the Journal of Ben Kenobi?

Holy crap, Owen and Beru are kinda awesome.
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@Armadeus wrote:Anyone seen the latest issue of the Journal of Ben Kenobi?

Holy crap, Owen and Beru are kinda awesome.
@Armadeus

Uncle Owen's attempts to bond with Luke are especially touching...and I like how he winks at Obi-wan at the end of the story....that was really nice. Smile
What did you think of Obi-wan, Owen and Black Krrsantan's fight? I thought it was beautifully illustrated....actually, all the Old Man Kenobi comics have some of the best artwork.

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Post by Armadeus on Thu 11 Aug 2016 - 9:58

@panki wrote:
@Armadeus wrote:Anyone seen the latest issue of the Journal of Ben Kenobi?

Holy crap, Owen and Beru are kinda awesome.
@Armadeus

@Armadeus wrote:Anyone seen the latest issue of the Journal of Ben Kenobi?

Holy crap, Owen and Beru are kinda awesome.
@Armadeus

Uncle Owen's attempts to bond with Luke are especially touching...and I like how he winks at Obi-wan at the end of the story....that was really nice. Smile
What did you think of Obi-wan, Owen and Black Krrsantan's fight? I thought it was beautifully illustrated....actually, all the Old Man Kenobi comics have some of the best artwork.
@panki

It was to see that Owen genuinely enjoys spending time with Luke. Nice change from the over-protective curmudgeon we see in ANH Razz

I really liked the fight. One of my favourite parts was when Obi-Wan's mind trick on Black Krrrsantan fails miserably lol!

Also, special mention must be given to Obi-Wan's pose when he surprises Krrrsantan as the latter is beating Owen Very Happy
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Post by panki on Mon 5 Sep 2016 - 22:57

Star Wars Annual 2 will be available in January 2017 and is supposed to cover Leia's adventures as a rebel spy....I've noticed that there are a lot of stories in canon pertaining to Leia either as a spy or managing a spy ring, including sending Han on dangerous missions.... could this foreshadow Ben Solo initially contacting the FO as a spy for Leia?


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Post by SanghaRen on Tue 6 Sep 2016 - 3:30

Wow, how many comics are out there? My problem with comics is it reads so quickly and then I am like "That's it? Where is the rest of it?" And then I don't feel like filling my cupboards with comics. I tried the electronic ones - Mad Max not SW - on my iPad but it's not the same. So I prefer the novels. However, I would really love it if they would put drawings of the characters in the novels. Sometimes they describe a specy and I still have a hard time picturing it in my head. So I'd need something in between comics and novels Smile I did buy a Leia comic a couple of weeks ago in the US but it was more as a souvenir. Have not read it yet.

I finished A New Dawn. I am still in the middle of Aftermath - Life Debt. Unfortunately I kind of started the 2 novels in parallel but was more interested in finishing A New Dawn. Now that I am back to Life Debt, I have to readjust to the story. I must admit I tend to forget names. Now if there was a picture with the name, I'd remember better.

I will be relying on you @panki before buying the TFA comics. If there is anything annoying in terms of how the characters and their dynamic are described in the last 2 issues, I won't buy it. I still clench my teeth thinking about the novelizations.
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Post by panki on Tue 6 Sep 2016 - 15:09

@SanghaRen wrote:Wow, how many comics are out there? My problem with comics is it reads so quickly and then I am like "That's it? Where is the rest of it?" And then I don't feel like filling my cupboards with comics. I tried the electronic ones - Mad Max not SW - on my iPad but it's not the same. So I prefer the novels. However, I would really love it if they would put drawings of the characters in the novels. Sometimes they describe a specy and I still have a hard time picturing it in my head. So I'd need something in between comics and novels Smile I did buy a Leia comic a couple of weeks ago in the US but it was more as a souvenir. Have not read it yet.

I finished A New Dawn. I am still in the middle of Aftermath - Life Debt. Unfortunately I kind of started the 2 novels in parallel but was more interested in finishing A New Dawn. Now that I am back to Life Debt, I have to readjust to the story. I must admit I tend to forget names. Now if there was a picture with the name, I'd remember better.

I will be relying on you @panki before buying the TFA comics. If there is anything annoying in terms of how the characters and their dynamic are described in the last 2 issues, I won't buy it. I still clench my teeth thinking about the novelizations.
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I wouldn't mind a couple of illustrations in the novels either.....I would love to see what some of the characters are actually supposed to look like.

Most of the comics have excellent illustrations but not too much in terms of spoilers.....the problem is that in each series, one or two of the comics contain important spoilers linked to future events....so you're stuck reading a lot of irrelevant stuff in the hope that you find that one nugget of great information.....being a comic fan, I dont mind getting them but it might not be for everyone....as of now, I really love the Vader comic series.... there is only one issue left before the series ends (a 40 page special)....am really looking forward to it.... Smile

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Post by SanghaRen on Mon 12 Sep 2016 - 1:25

@Darth Dingbat

You made it, I read "The Perfect Weapon" instead of finishing Life Debt Very Happy I am very intrigued and very confused too. You are indeed left wondering if it doesn't tie into TFA or VIII. If TFA, I guess we'll have the answer through a book but I do not quite understand why they would not just say it. I doubt many people will read the book. If VIII we might see a glimpse of Bazine again. Anyone knows if the actress is in the cast of VIII? What bugs me is that whatever Bazine retrieved sounds extremely important, but then they put the backstory in a small novel and sell the Kindle version for less than 1 EUR. Or is Lucasfilm playing with us and they are just going to open a new storyline that has no direct ties with the ST? I really am confused by what their target is with this book...

So now, what do you think is in the d*** case? You or anyone else who read the novella. I tag you because you mentioned the book. I first thought of these possibilities:

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- Darth Vader's helmet. But everyone seems to think it's something very important and am not sure that the helmet would be worth that much unless Snoke really sees it as a crucial tool to turn Ben and put a heavy bounty on it. The timeline is not clear, but due to Bazine's appearance, I'd say it's maximum 10 years before TFA. That could fit, but why would a mentally unstable ex-stormtrooper be allowed to keep a case with the helmet? Unless they retrieved and got influenced by it and were then sort of quarantined.
- The map to the First Jedi Temple or an indication that Lor San Tekka holds the map. Why would an ex-stormtrooper have that? Why did no one take it from him?

I always bump into the obstacle of the timeline - apparently some time after Aftermath and before TFA -, the fact that it's been in the case for some years and some people know about it, and the fact that it must have seemed like nothing while being of utter importance - I don't see how the person who had it would have been allowed to keep it if its value was obvious.

A couple of other ideas:

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- Scramblings that look like the drawings of a mentally ill person but actually represent something. But what?
- Something that looks like a toy but is a key to something in the Jedi Temple which is now in the possession of a relic collector. BDT? This collector persona is sticking on him... So only connoisseurs would know the worth of it. That'd be the most viable option because the audience does not need the explanation and just a glimps would make the ones who read the novel happy.

I am not very clear in my head today and I am not a good investigator. Bazine would not want me as a partner Smile She does not like partners anyway.
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Post by panki on Mon 12 Sep 2016 - 3:45

@SanghaRen

I actually have a crack theory for this one...

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Could Maz Kanata have commissioned Bazine to fetch the legacy lightsaber for her? That might have been the interesting story she wanted to tell Han.

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Post by SanghaRen on Mon 12 Sep 2016 - 6:40

@panki wrote:@SanghaRen

I actually have a crack theory for this one...

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Could Maz Kanata have commissioned Bazine to fetch the legacy lightsaber for her? That might have been the interesting story she wanted to tell Han.
@panki

I thought about that object too, but

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Not that Maz commissioned it. What bothers me is that Maz said she had it for some time and I took it as a very long time. I am still convinced that Kylo had the lightsaber at some point and Maz took it from him. So did the ex-stormtrooper have it before or after Kylo and why did no one in the med center take it from him? The lack of clear timeline is annoying.
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Post by panki on Mon 12 Sep 2016 - 8:15

@SanghaRen

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I would love a scenario where the FO commissioned Bazine to steal it so they could obtain it for Kylo but Maz foils the plan and steals the lightsaber from them Very Happy (didn't Bazine see that droid that exploded in Maz's castle?)

In the EU, there is this awesome story of where the lightsaber goes after Bespin...it goes to various random people and the story ends with Ben Skywalker claiming it back to prevent a Snoke like character from misusing it.....I hope that happens in episode 9.




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Post by AppleCrumble122 on Mon 12 Sep 2016 - 8:19

@panki wrote:
@SanghaRen wrote:
@panki wrote:@SanghaRen

I actually have a crack theory for this one...

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Could Maz Kanata have commissioned Bazine to fetch the legacy lightsaber for her? That might have been the interesting story she wanted to tell Han.
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I thought about that object too, but

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Not that Maz commissioned it. What bothers me is that Maz said she had it for some time and I took it as a very long time. I am still convinced that Kylo had the lightsaber at some point and Maz took it from him. So did the ex-stormtrooper have it before or after Kylo and why did no one in the med center take it from him? The lack of clear timeline is annoying.
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Spoiler:
I would love a scenario where the FO commissioned Bazine to steal it so they could obtain it for Kylo but Maz foils the plan and steals the lightsaber from them Very Happy (didn't Bazine see that droid that exploded in Maz's castle?)

In the EU, there is this awesome story of where the lightsaber goes after Bespin and it ends with Ben Skywalker claiming it back to prevent a Snoke like character from claiming it.....I hope that happens in episode 9.



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Spoiler:
That story with Ben Skywalker was interesting but it was non-canon in the EU timeline. Wink
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