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Post by snufkin on Mon 16 May - 19:10

Snoke is definitely the Dark Fairy Tale element that makes you wonder how much Doctor Who the writers/new team have watched. Would definitely bet that he had a hand in Rey ended up alone and on Jakku.
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@vaderito wrote:So who takes him down? The Trinity? The Chosen Two? or just one, Rey or Kylo?
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Let it be Leia please. Twisted Evil Or Luke.
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he's Kylo's antagonist like Palp was Vader's. So he should take him down. But if Snoke does something to him and incapacitate him, than he becomes antagonist of the person who cares about Kylo.
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Or Jabba was to Han. And we know who ended up taking out Jabba, so that might be something in the cards for Rey.
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Post by vaderito on Mon 16 May - 19:21

@snufkin Jabba is perfect example of antagonist switch. He carbonized Leia's lover and enslaved Leia, so he became her antagonist more than his. However, considering that Snoke poisoned Ben from childhood, it's hard to make him stronger antagonist to anyone but Ben.
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Mon 16 May - 19:33

@vaderito wrote:@snufkin Jabba is perfect example of antagonist switch. He carbonized Leia's lover and enslaved Leia, so he became her antagonist more than his. However, considering that Snoke poisoned Ben from childhood, it's hard to make him stronger antagonist to anyone but Ben.
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If that KY10REY tweet ends up having any truth behind it, we might find out that Snoke was responsible for Rey being dumped on Jakku. So wouldn't that make him an antagonist of both Rey and Ben/Kylo?

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Re: Snoke in Episodes VIII/IX

Post by vaderito on Mon 16 May - 19:44

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@vaderito wrote:@snufkin Jabba is perfect example of antagonist switch. He carbonized Leia's lover and enslaved Leia, so he became her antagonist more than his. However, considering that Snoke poisoned Ben from childhood, it's hard to make him stronger antagonist to anyone but Ben.
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If that KY10REY tweet ends up having any truth behind it, we might find out that Snoke was responsible for Rey being dumped on Jakku. So wouldn't that make him an antagonist of both Rey and Ben/Kylo?
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Perfect for Adam and Eve to take him down.
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Post by MoonlitMoss on Mon 16 May - 20:45

The two Snoke threads have been merged to make one discussion thread.

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Re: Snoke in Episodes VIII/IX

Post by vaderito on Mon 16 May - 20:46

What was the other one, Snoke is Plagueis? Laughing Laughing Laughing Did we ever have that one?
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Post by FrolickingFizzgig on Mon 16 May - 20:55

@vaderito wrote:What was the other one, Snoke is Plagueis? Laughing Laughing Laughing Did we ever have that one?
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Snoke is Plagieus and Rey is a Skywalker and Jyn Erso will be Skymon and Finn/Rey will be endgame and they will kill Kylo Ren together.

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Pablo: "Snoke is not Plagieus."
JJ: "Rey's parents aren't in Episode VII." (nobody cares about meaningless damage control)
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Post by Mana on Mon 16 May - 21:03

@vaderito wrote:@snufkin Jabba is perfect example of antagonist switch. He carbonized Leia's lover and enslaved Leia, so he became her antagonist more than his. However, considering that Snoke poisoned Ben from childhood, it's hard to make him stronger antagonist to anyone but Ben.
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I agree. If we look at it this way, we still don't know why Snoke is so threatened by Luke. I mean, it SEEMS like Luke was just minding his own business and focusing on restoring the Jedi order and studying their lore. It didn't seem like he was looking for any sort of trouble. What is Snoke's beef with Luke? Maybe Snoke even targeted Ben to get him on his side so that it would be easier to get to Luke. You would have expected Luke to raise an army, hop on board an X-wing and hunt down Snoke, but instead he becomes depressed and goes into exile...Snoke was probably counting on that....
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Re: Snoke in Episodes VIII/IX

Post by vaderito on Mon 16 May - 21:04

@FrolickingFizzgig wrote:
@vaderito wrote:What was the other one, Snoke is Plagueis? Laughing Laughing Laughing Did we ever have that one?
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Snoke is Plagieus and Rey is a Skywalker and Jyn Erso will be Skymon and Finn/Rey will be endgame and they will kill Kylo Ren together.

Oh wait.

Pablo: "Snoke is not Plagieus."
JJ: "Rey's parents aren't in Episode VII." (nobody cares about meaningless damage control)
Daisy: "Just because she's white and got brown hair doesn't mean she's my mum."
John Boyega: "Finn and Rey are just friends. The romance won't go the way you think."

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Surely all misdirection? Laughing Laughing Laughing

@Mana I don't know if his beef is with Luke or with kind of Jedi he could bring with him. Because I have a feeling that Snoke's scars, especially the head one, are from a LS. That a Jedi did it. And I remember that Snoke is supposed to be a very ancient being. So who's to say that he wasn't bested by the First Jedi?
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Post by Mana on Mon 16 May - 21:15

@vaderito I think Snoke may have had dealings with Luke in the past...hence Luke feeling guilty and going into exile
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Re: Snoke in Episodes VIII/IX

Post by vaderito on Mon 16 May - 21:29

@Mana wrote:@vaderito I think Snoke may have had dealings with Luke in the past...hence Luke feeling guilty and going into exile
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Luke certainly failed to break Snoke's spell on Ben. But Rey will succeed with her enchanted Prince.

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Re: Snoke in Episodes VIII/IX

Post by snufkin on Mon 16 May - 22:19

@vaderito wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@vaderito wrote:@snufkin Jabba is perfect example of antagonist switch. He carbonized Leia's lover and enslaved Leia, so he became her antagonist more than his. However, considering that Snoke poisoned Ben from childhood, it's hard to make him stronger antagonist to anyone but Ben.
@vaderito

If that KY10REY tweet ends up having any truth behind it, we might find out that Snoke was responsible for Rey being dumped on Jakku. So wouldn't that make him an antagonist of both Rey and Ben/Kylo?
@ISeeAnIsland

Perfect for Adam and Eve to take him down.
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That's the conclusion I came to after my first viewing, that he's also behind how she ended up by herself on Jakku and likely killed her parents.
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Mon 16 May - 22:26

@snufkin wrote:
@vaderito wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@vaderito wrote:@snufkin Jabba is perfect example of antagonist switch. He carbonized Leia's lover and enslaved Leia, so he became her antagonist more than his. However, considering that Snoke poisoned Ben from childhood, it's hard to make him stronger antagonist to anyone but Ben.
@vaderito

If that KY10REY tweet ends up having any truth behind it, we might find out that Snoke was responsible for Rey being dumped on Jakku. So wouldn't that make him an antagonist of both Rey and Ben/Kylo?
@ISeeAnIsland

Perfect for Adam and Eve to take him down.
@vaderito

That's the conclusion I came to after my first viewing, that he's also behind how she ended up by herself on Jakku and likely killed her parents.
@snufkin

This got me thinking... If Rey ends up "flirting with the dark side" in this trilogy, perhaps that would have to do with her taking down Snoke (i.e. revenge).

I'm less and less inclined to think that any dark side dabbling on Rey's part will have to do with Kylo (beyond him being a temptation and his "darkness" leeching into her a bit), but finding out that Snoke was responsible for her being dumped on Jakku and/or killing her parents? Yeah, I can buy some real rage on her part at that.

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Post by Sylvia Snow on Mon 16 May - 23:30

Snoke against the Skywalker  Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Re: Snoke in Episodes VIII/IX

Post by ReyofLightSide on Mon 16 May - 23:42

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@snufkin wrote:
@vaderito wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@vaderito wrote:@snufkin Jabba is perfect example of antagonist switch. He carbonized Leia's lover and enslaved Leia, so he became her antagonist more than his. However, considering that Snoke poisoned Ben from childhood, it's hard to make him stronger antagonist to anyone but Ben.
@vaderito

If that KY10REY tweet ends up having any truth behind it, we might find out that Snoke was responsible for Rey being dumped on Jakku. So wouldn't that make him an antagonist of both Rey and Ben/Kylo?
@ISeeAnIsland

Perfect for Adam and Eve to take him down.
@vaderito

That's the conclusion I came to after my first viewing, that he's also behind how she ended up by herself on Jakku and likely killed her parents.
@snufkin

This got me thinking... If Rey ends up "flirting with the dark side" in this trilogy, perhaps that would have to do with her taking down Snoke (i.e. revenge).

I'm less and less inclined to think that any dark side dabbling on Rey's part will have to do with Kylo (beyond him being a temptation and his "darkness" leeching into her a bit), but finding out that Snoke was responsible for her being dumped on Jakku and/or killing her parents? Yeah, I can buy some real rage on her part at that.
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I think that is where this might end up. She was handed over to Unkar in the flashback, and in the present we saw Unkar make a call to presumably the First Order so that is a connection. The ship in her flashback flew into a red light.

As to why Snoke had her put there- maybe he did forsee she would destroy him.
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Re: Snoke in Episodes VIII/IX

Post by snufkin on Tue 17 May - 0:00

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@snufkin wrote:
@vaderito wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@vaderito wrote:@snufkin Jabba is perfect example of antagonist switch. He carbonized Leia's lover and enslaved Leia, so he became her antagonist more than his. However, considering that Snoke poisoned Ben from childhood, it's hard to make him stronger antagonist to anyone but Ben.
@vaderito

If that KY10REY tweet ends up having any truth behind it, we might find out that Snoke was responsible for Rey being dumped on Jakku. So wouldn't that make him an antagonist of both Rey and Ben/Kylo?
@ISeeAnIsland

Perfect for Adam and Eve to take him down.
@vaderito

That's the conclusion I came to after my first viewing, that he's also behind how she ended up by herself on Jakku and likely killed her parents.
@snufkin

This got me thinking... If Rey ends up "flirting with the dark side" in this trilogy, perhaps that would have to do with her taking down Snoke (i.e. revenge).

I'm less and less inclined to think that any dark side dabbling on Rey's part will have to do with Kylo (beyond him being a temptation and his "darkness" leeching into her a bit), but finding out that Snoke was responsible for her being dumped on Jakku and/or killing her parents? Yeah, I can buy some real rage on her part at that.
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Post by SanghaRen on Tue 17 May - 17:34

I was looking at Brian Kesinger's Lil' Kylo drawings with Kylo dragging his Vader doll around. And suddenly I had this image from a Supernatural episode where Sam meets his childhood imaginary friend. What if Snoke was Ben's imaginary friend? Leia knew about the imaginary friend, who sounded a bit scary to her, but then Ben stopped talking about him so she thought he was gone for good. That's why she did not mention him in Bloodline. But then when she heard that Ben disappeared with a guy named Snoke, she remembered and realized that Ben was telling the truth and the childhood friend was not imaginary. Yes, I know, it's crazy and kind of scary.

I really wonder if Snoke was physically around Ben or only in his mind. If physically around, how come no one remembers him?
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Post by Maria Antonietta on Tue 17 May - 17:59

@SanghaRen wrote:I was looking at Brian Kesinger's Lil' Kylo drawings with Kylo dragging his Vader doll around. And suddenly I had this image from a Supernatural episode where Sam meets his childhood imaginary friend. What if Snoke was Ben's imaginary friend? Leia knew about the imaginary friend, who sounded a bit scary to her, but then Ben stopped talking about him so she thought he was gone for good. That's why she did not mention him in Bloodline. But then when she heard that Ben disappeared with a guy named Snoke, she remembered and realized that Ben was telling the truth and the childhood friend was not imaginary. Yes, I know, it's crazy and kind of scary.

I really wonder if Snoke was physically around Ben or only in his mind. If physically around, how come no one remembers him?
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Post by Jozie on Tue 17 May - 18:14

@SanghaRen wrote:I was looking at Brian Kesinger's Lil' Kylo drawings with Kylo dragging his Vader doll around. And suddenly I had this image from a Supernatural episode where Sam meets his childhood imaginary friend. What if Snoke was Ben's imaginary friend? Leia knew about the imaginary friend, who sounded a bit scary to her, but then Ben stopped talking about him so she thought he was gone for good. That's why she did not mention him in Bloodline. But then when she heard that Ben disappeared with a guy named Snoke, she remembered and realized that Ben was telling the truth and the childhood friend was not imaginary. Yes, I know, it's crazy and kind of scary.

I really wonder if Snoke was physically around Ben or only in his mind. If physically around, how come no one remembers him?
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I subscribe to that theory 100% (I even wrote about it once in the thread "General Snoke discussion" but it's gone now Sad). Add to that the fact that the mysterious Snoke has no permanent base of operations, preferring to contact his underlings from a mobile command post. (that's from offcial SW database). I can totally see him orbiting around Kylo's home planet, invading his mind 24/7. Makes me so sad :<
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Post by Rogue Rey on Tue 17 May - 18:26

@SanghaRen wrote:I was looking at Brian Kesinger's Lil' Kylo drawings with Kylo dragging his Vader doll around. And suddenly I had this image from a Supernatural episode where Sam meets his childhood imaginary friend. What if Snoke was Ben's imaginary friend? Leia knew about the imaginary friend, who sounded a bit scary to her, but then Ben stopped talking about him so she thought he was gone for good. That's why she did not mention him in Bloodline. But then when she heard that Ben disappeared with a guy named Snoke, she remembered and realized that Ben was telling the truth and the childhood friend was not imaginary. Yes, I know, it's crazy and kind of scary.

I really wonder if Snoke was physically around Ben or only in his mind. If physically around, how come no one remembers him?
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Oh man poor tiny Ben Sad Sad

Kind of reminds me of the film Drop Dead Fred (staring the late great Rik Mayall and Carrie Fisher has a role in) I don't know why but whenever anyone mentions imaginary friends I always think of this film.
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Post by Darth Rowan on Tue 17 May - 18:52

@Jozie wrote:
@SanghaRen wrote:I was looking at Brian Kesinger's Lil' Kylo drawings with Kylo dragging his Vader doll around. And suddenly I had this image from a Supernatural episode where Sam meets his childhood imaginary friend. What if Snoke was Ben's imaginary friend? Leia knew about the imaginary friend, who sounded a bit scary to her, but then Ben stopped talking about him so she thought he was gone for good. That's why she did not mention him in Bloodline. But then when she heard that Ben disappeared with a guy named Snoke, she remembered and realized that Ben was telling the truth and the childhood friend was not imaginary. Yes, I know, it's crazy and kind of scary.

I really wonder if Snoke was physically around Ben or only in his mind. If physically around, how come no one remembers him?

I subscribe to that theory 100% (I even wrote about it once in the thread "General Snoke discussion" but it's gone now Sad). Add to that the fact that the mysterious Snoke has no permanent base of operations, preferring to contact his underlings from a mobile command post. (that's from offcial SW database). I can totally see him orbiting around Kylo's home planet, invading his mind 24/7. Makes me so sad :<

@SanghaRen, that is an awesome theory. I really hope that they do something like this, because as you say it would perfectly explain what can be perceived as an inconsistency between TFA and Bloodline - in TFA Leia says she's been aware of Snoke's influencing Ben from early on and that's why she "sent him (Ben) away" to train with Luke, so it's weird she's not worried about Snoke in Bloodline.

@Jozie The "General Snoke Discussion" thread is not gone; it was merged into this one, as indicated in the announcement by MoonlitMoss. Your post is still there. n_n

And I agree with you re: Snoke being around Ben mentally more than physically. I find it highly unlikely that Leia, who is FS, would have met Snoke and let him be around young Ben without realizing something was up with that dude. Though we can argue the same thing happened with Palpatine and Anakin and the whole of the Jedi Council, but maternal instinct has to factor in for something, right? XD

Besides to me the degree of blindness that Mace Windu and Yoda had regarding Sidious had more to do with their own arrogance than with Sidious' power to disguise himself and cloud their vision. But I digress. u_u
All speculation and perhaps wishful thinking on my part, meh.

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Re: Snoke in Episodes VIII/IX

Post by Rogue Rey on Tue 17 May - 18:57

@Darth Rowan wrote:
@Jozie wrote:
@SanghaRen wrote:I was looking at Brian Kesinger's Lil' Kylo drawings with Kylo dragging his Vader doll around. And suddenly I had this image from a Supernatural episode where Sam meets his childhood imaginary friend. What if Snoke was Ben's imaginary friend? Leia knew about the imaginary friend, who sounded a bit scary to her, but then Ben stopped talking about him so she thought he was gone for good. That's why she did not mention him in Bloodline. But then when she heard that Ben disappeared with a guy named Snoke, she remembered and realized that Ben was telling the truth and the childhood friend was not imaginary. Yes, I know, it's crazy and kind of scary.

I really wonder if Snoke was physically around Ben or only in his mind. If physically around, how come no one remembers him?

I subscribe to that theory 100% (I even wrote about it once in the thread "General Snoke discussion" but it's gone now Sad). Add to that the fact that the mysterious Snoke has no permanent base of operations, preferring to contact his underlings from a mobile command post. (that's from offcial SW database). I can totally see him orbiting around Kylo's home planet, invading his mind 24/7. Makes me so sad :<

@SanghaRen, that is an awesome theory. I really hope that they do something like this, because as you say it would perfectly explain what can be perceived as an inconsistency between TFA and Bloodline - in TFA Leia says she's been aware of Snoke's influencing Ben from early on and that's why she "sent him (Ben) away" to train with Luke, so it's weird she's not worried about Snoke in Bloodline.

@Jozie The "General Snoke Discussion" thread is not gone; it was merged into this one, as indicated in the announcement by MoonlitMoss. Your post is still there. n_n

And I agree with you re: Snoke being around Ben mentally more than physically. I find it highly unlikely that Leia, who is FS, would have met Snoke and let him be around young Ben without realizing something was up with that dude. Though we can argue the same thing happened with Palpatine and Anakin and the whole of the Jedi Council, but maternal instinct has to factor in for something, right? XD

Besides to me the degree of blindness that Mace Windu and Yoda had regarding Sidious had more to do with their own arrogance than with Sidious' power to disguise himself and cloud their vision. But I digress. u_u
All speculation and perhaps wishful thinking on my part, meh.
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Snoke just gets creepier and creepier by the day. Of course this is all speculation on our part, but if the actually SL is half as good as this theory then it will make for some skin crawling yet compelling viewing which AD will totally blow out of the water - even with the slight hitch/crack in his voice - he just knows how to convey such emotion with so little.

As for Windu and Yoda - they were totally blind right to the end and as @vaderito and I discussed during the AOTC + ROTS viewing parties they kind of deserved to be dragged off their self appointed pedestals because of their sheer blind arrogance.
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Post by Jozie on Tue 17 May - 19:59

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Oops, my bad Smile. Yes, it's here, if anyone's interested, here's the relevant fragment:
@Jozie wrote:My theory: [Snoke] wasn't a member of the senate and never knew Leia, Han or Ben personally. I like the idea that he's super old, maybe at some point he tried to seize power but lost (leaving him disfigured) and from then he waited for a good moment. He saw it after the Empire finally fell and there were no siths anymore to challenge him... He knew Ben will be special, so maybe he orbited around their planet (?) and somehow established connection with him. Sort of a "imaginary friend", manipulating little Ben, telling him that its their secret, etc. Now, how does Leia know about Snoke? I think she noticed Ben says things he wouldn't normally say, she confronted him about it and little Ben finally told her his secret. That's when Leia sends him away... and we know the rest.

I soooo want it to be true! To me, it fits perfectly. We know Snoke is not a type to act openly. He's afraid of confronting Luke, probably changes his location all the time, when you look at his injuries, well... he was defeated once for sure, so maybe he's not that great at fighting physically. But mentally... The supreme Leader is wise. Smile

And, let's not forget that in the novelization Leia said that Snoke was watching Ben "from the shadows". Why would she say that if he was a family friend/politician/teacher? It also makes me think of the Garden of Eden parallels many of you noticed with Snoke=Snake. I'm not sure about the Bible, but in Paradise Lost Satan is very friendly towards Eve.
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Post by SoloSideCousin on Tue 17 May - 20:36

@SanghaRen wrote:I was looking at Brian Kesinger's Lil' Kylo drawings with Kylo dragging his Vader doll around. And suddenly I had this image from a Supernatural episode where Sam meets his childhood imaginary friend. What if Snoke was Ben's imaginary friend? Leia knew about the imaginary friend, who sounded a bit scary to her, but then Ben stopped talking about him so she thought he was gone for good. That's why she did not mention him in Bloodline. But then when she heard that Ben disappeared with a guy named Snoke, she remembered and realized that Ben was telling the truth and the childhood friend was not imaginary. Yes, I know, it's crazy and kind of scary.

I really wonder if Snoke was physically around Ben or only in his mind. If physically around, how come no one remembers him?
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Oh that is brilliantly creepy! Snoke was originally in the vision with the little boy .... So chilling.

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Re: Snoke in Episodes VIII/IX

Post by SanghaRen on Wed 18 May - 3:18

@Jozie

I am sorry, I hadn't seen your post  Embarassed I went back and saw it now. Funny, how these ideas start converging. We must be on to something Smile

If you think of it, this is really a long term plan from Snoke that requires a lot of committment. He would have to be on the watch all the time. He must really want Kylo. Why? Kylo is even more powerful than we think? Kylo has a role to play in some sort of prophecy? He hates the Skywalkers and | or the jedis? All three?
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