Rey's facial expression

Page 1 of 5 1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Rey's facial expression

Post by Slade on Wed 1 Jun - 18:07

As SKB is breaking up and the ravine opens between Rey and Kylo and she is standing looking at him before running off, how do you interpret the look on her face? I cant interpret it, and I've heard people say different things about it.
avatar
Slade
Jedi Master
Jedi Master

Messages : 930
Likes : 3255
Date d'inscription : 2016-05-25

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by Maria Antonietta on Wed 1 Jun - 18:28

She looks a little bit guilty to me.
avatar
Maria Antonietta
Force Ghost
Force Ghost

Messages : 2616
Likes : 11092
Date d'inscription : 2016-03-26
Age : 31
Localisation : Italia

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by snufkin on Wed 1 Jun - 19:01

It's hard to tell, but a couple of people on here have thought that there's something by her chin which is either her hair or that it's his blood. And her eyes are open in complete shock like "What the Hell just happened?!" Also some guilt, because she started fighting with him in order to save Finn and now there're two injured men on the ground. So she has to make a choice. Also notice how she looks back when Finn is being carried by Chewie on the Falcon. She knows that she's leaving him behind, but there's probably not enough time to get him before things blow to Hell. So yes, very guilty.
avatar
snufkin
Force Ghost
Force Ghost

Messages : 5869
Likes : 24987
Date d'inscription : 2016-04-17
Localisation : it's in the chorus of Pavement's "Unfair"

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by Search Your Feelings on Wed 1 Jun - 19:01

Can an image be placed here? I'm at work and can't get it myself.
avatar
Search Your Feelings
Jedi Padawan
Jedi Padawan

Messages : 304
Likes : 2069
Date d'inscription : 2016-03-29

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by BastilaBey on Wed 1 Jun - 19:10

I think it is intentionally ambiguous, both Rey and Kylo's expressions at the end seem to be a Rorschach test for where you see their dynamic going and what you think has already taken place between them. I expect the GA to be quite surprised when it's revealed Rey doesn't wish to harm Kylo in VIII.
avatar
BastilaBey
Force Ghost
Force Ghost

Messages : 2351
Likes : 23487
Date d'inscription : 2016-03-26

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by vaderito on Wed 1 Jun - 19:18

snufkin wrote:It's hard to tell, but a couple of people on here have thought that there's something by her chin which is either her hair or that it's his blood. And her eyes are open in complete shock like "What the Hell just happened?!" Also some guilt, because she started fighting with him in order to save Finn and now there're two injured men on the ground. So she has to make a choice. Also notice how she looks back when Finn is being carried by Chewie on the Falcon. She knows that she's leaving him behind, but there's probably not enough time to get him before things blow to Hell. So yes, very guilty.
@snufkin

Doubtful she was making a choice when ravine made Kylo completely cut off. She couldn't go to him even if she wanted and looking back = wanted to go to him.
avatar
vaderito
Force Ghost
Force Ghost

Messages : 8247
Likes : 39408
Date d'inscription : 2016-03-25

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by snufkin on Wed 1 Jun - 19:48

vaderito wrote:
snufkin wrote:It's hard to tell, but a couple of people on here have thought that there's something by her chin which is either her hair or that it's his blood. And her eyes are open in complete shock like "What the Hell just happened?!" Also some guilt, because she started fighting with him in order to save Finn and now there're two injured men on the ground. So she has to make a choice. Also notice how she looks back when Finn is being carried by Chewie on the Falcon. She knows that she's leaving him behind, but there's probably not enough time to get him before things blow to Hell. So yes, very guilty.
@snufkin

Doubtful she was making a choice when ravine made Kylo completely cut off. She couldn't go to him even if she wanted and looking back = wanted to go to him.
@vaderito

That's what I was thinking, the looking back part is really when the guilt hits her about him being stuck there.
avatar
snufkin
Force Ghost
Force Ghost

Messages : 5869
Likes : 24987
Date d'inscription : 2016-04-17
Localisation : it's in the chorus of Pavement's "Unfair"

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by Slade on Thu 2 Jun - 1:16

Search Your Feelings wrote:Can an image be placed here? I'm at work and can't get it myself.
@Search Your Feelings

I couldn't readily find one.
avatar
Slade
Jedi Master
Jedi Master

Messages : 930
Likes : 3255
Date d'inscription : 2016-05-25

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by Slade on Thu 2 Jun - 1:18

Or was she looking back because she feared he was somehow still coming after her, like Freddie Kreuger? She looks troubled, but I can't tell if it's because she was just in a saber fight and is scared, mad, and exhausted, or what.
avatar
Slade
Jedi Master
Jedi Master

Messages : 930
Likes : 3255
Date d'inscription : 2016-05-25

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by SoloSideCousin on Thu 2 Jun - 1:34

Slade wrote:Or was she looking back because she feared he was somehow still coming after her, like Freddie Kreuger? She looks troubled, but I can't tell if it's because she was just in a saber fight and is scared, mad, and exhausted, or what.
@Slade

I don't think so. She had solidly defeated him. And when you hear the "Rey ... Ohhhh ... Rey", and he can barely hold himself, yet *still needs to look at her*, he's not scary at all. :-) I think she is in a state of shock over what has happened. IMO she was heavily in the dark side zone with him, but after the earth splits, she snaps out of it and I think there is guilt there. And once she has calmed down a bit, I think she might be remembering that everything she saw in his mind was not bad. (She certainly seemed to enjoy herself at the cliffside "You need to teacher" moment, until I think she realized she was getting into the force sex ... uh whatever was going on when they find the force Smile , and then she hates herself for feeling this way and punishes him for it, to the point that she tries to make him look like the monster that she desperately wants him to be ... because that would make the "feelings" much easier). She might also be remembering what she felt *before* he killed Han as well. That's why IMO she looked so hopeful while looking over that balcony ... until what he did ripped her hope and heart into a million pieces. Also, she may also at this point have sense enough to know that some kind of "miasma of darkness" dominated her there for a moment ... Perhaps, she is also wondering if this is why he is the way he is and maybe is a little freaked she got so close herself. Hmmmm .... I'm just talking outloud right here, and I don't remember all the steps of the hero's journey, but I know that there are "calls to action" that the character either accepts or rejects. Rey accepts the call of the Force there, by taking the lightsaber when she ran from it before. But I wonder if that moment could be a subtle bit of foreshadowing of a "call to action" or maybe better stated, a "reckoning" with the darkness and the light, within and without, that she will have to deal with in Episode VIII. The ravine prevented her from dealing with it in TFA. But there won't always be a ravine.
avatar
SoloSideCousin
Force Ghost
Force Ghost

Messages : 3466
Likes : 15549
Date d'inscription : 2016-03-25

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by Sylvia Snow on Thu 2 Jun - 1:49

In my opinion, both Rey and Kylo have this "What just happened?" Faces, I don't know for sure but maybe during their duel they just too focus on one another and discarded the surrounding area even if it's collapsing. Some sort of "Finding the Force" within each other

Kylo's expressions


And this are Rey's expression




Their expression somewhat mirrors one another, disbelief, . In the second picture, Rey even shows genuine concern for Kylo, she even have the blue light illustrated half of her face, the same side of Kylo's scar
avatar
Sylvia Snow
Force Ghost
Force Ghost

Messages : 1384
Likes : 5682
Date d'inscription : 2016-03-26

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by IoJovi on Thu 2 Jun - 1:53

I always took Rey's face, both in the above photo and when she looks back before boarding the MF as concern. And not just concern - there's more to it than that, but it's hard to pinpoint.

It's a very similar expression to this:



_________________
"Kylo and Rey are two halves of the dark and the light.” - Rian Johnson
avatar
IoJovi
Moderator

Messages : 6167
Likes : 33457
Date d'inscription : 2016-03-26
Age : 101
Localisation : Atlanta, GA

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by Sylvia Snow on Thu 2 Jun - 2:00

IoJovi wrote:I always took Rey's face, both in the above photo and when she looks back before boarding the MF as concern.  And not just concern - there's more to it than that, but it's hard to pinpoint.  

It's a very similar expression to this:


@IoJovi

I would said it can also be mesmerized?! She thought that the Jedi, Luke all of those things are a fairy tales which could possibly mean that she may spend her childhood dreaming about them or even seeing some of them in her vision but choose to believe it as a mere dream, and there're hinted that Rey may dream about Kylo before so maybe upon hearing from  Han and experiences it herself, she could be having a deja vu. Like all of this and even Kylo are somehow familiar to her in some weird way
avatar
Sylvia Snow
Force Ghost
Force Ghost

Messages : 1384
Likes : 5682
Date d'inscription : 2016-03-26

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by vaderito on Thu 2 Jun - 2:30

@Sylvia Snow Great find that blue light on "Kylo's scar" side of Rey's face. Also, speaking of dreaming, novelization said something like that Kylo was from her nightmares and daydreams? Does anyone has a quite?
avatar
vaderito
Force Ghost
Force Ghost

Messages : 8247
Likes : 39408
Date d'inscription : 2016-03-25

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by Kessel on Thu 2 Jun - 2:36

vaderito wrote:@Sylvia Snow Great find that blue light on "Kylo's scar" side of Rey's face. Also, speaking of dreaming, novelization said something like that Kylo was from her nightmares and daydreams? Does anyone has a quite?
@vaderito

The quote with the daydream/nightmare language from the adult novelization is:

"Turning to run in the other direction, [Rey] caught herself just in time as a shuttle touched down nearby. Without the slightest hesitation, the cloaked figure of Kylo Ren emerged and strode forward to join the battle. A stunned Rey could only track him with her eyes. She had seen this man before, in a daydream. In a nightmare."

I don't know if it was something based on the script or if ADF came up with it, but the whole daydream/nightmare stuff really fits with the imagery and narrative surrounding Rey and Kylo.
avatar
Kessel
Force Ghost
Force Ghost

Messages : 1088
Likes : 8583
Date d'inscription : 2016-03-26

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by Sylvia Snow on Thu 2 Jun - 2:44

@vaderito 
@Kessel89

The daydream and nightmare always a big question for me. People don't simply dreaming about their supposedly enemy, do they? That quote from the novelization for me sound like they're describing a couple who are destined to for each other...
avatar
Sylvia Snow
Force Ghost
Force Ghost

Messages : 1384
Likes : 5682
Date d'inscription : 2016-03-26

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by vaderito on Thu 2 Jun - 2:45

Kessel89 wrote:

The quote with the daydream/nightmare language from the adult novelization is:

"Turning to run in the other direction, [Rey] caught herself just in time as a shuttle touched down nearby. Without the slightest hesitation, the cloaked figure of Kylo Ren emerged and strode forward to join the battle. A stunned Rey could only track him with her eyes. She had seen this man before, in a daydream. In a nightmare."

I don't know if it was something based on the script or if ADF came up with it, but the whole daydream/nightmare stuff really fits with the imagery and narrative surrounding Rey and Kylo.
@Kessel89

daydream's a curious thing. very curious. You don't daydream about creatures/monsters. Unless he unmasked in a daydream was was a beautiful prince?

avatar
vaderito
Force Ghost
Force Ghost

Messages : 8247
Likes : 39408
Date d'inscription : 2016-03-25

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by Kessel on Thu 2 Jun - 2:59


@vaderito
@Sylvia Snow

Agreed, you defintely don't daydream about scary monsters. There's more going on there if there's anything more to that daydream/nightmare statement (i.e. possible previous dreams or visions). We know Rey's Force vision of Kylo was terrifying, but what if she's had other visions/dreams of him, or there's something else she senses about his presence? We know he acted very fascinated by her initially, almost like he found her familiar. It's somewhat reminiscent of Sleeping Beauty where Briar Rose and Prince Phillip meet in the forest, a comparison I've seen @vaderito mention before.

I also thought it was interesting that the Disney Jedi exhibit show supposedly has the female Padawan say something like, "Kylo Ren haunts my dreams."
avatar
Kessel
Force Ghost
Force Ghost

Messages : 1088
Likes : 8583
Date d'inscription : 2016-03-26

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by Sylvia Snow on Thu 2 Jun - 3:42

Normally, in fairy tales the maiden or princess daydream about her hero/prince so Rey thinking to herself that she did dream of Kylo in such way make me wonder what in the information Alan Dean Foster was given in order to wrote the novel regarding Kylo and Rey, because there're some quote by either of them sound so much like a fantasy/romance novel, for instance the passage where Kylo looking for Rey after her escape, he want to find her badly as if she is a part of him that he is dying to get back and then there's that interrogation  Laughing
avatar
Sylvia Snow
Force Ghost
Force Ghost

Messages : 1384
Likes : 5682
Date d'inscription : 2016-03-26

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by IoJovi on Thu 2 Jun - 3:50

Sylvia Snow wrote:Normally, in fairy tales the maiden or princess daydream about her hero/prince so Rey thinking to herself that she did dream of Kylo in such way make me wonder what in the information Alan Dean Foster was given in order to wrote the novel regarding Kylo and Rey, because there're some quote by either of them sound so much like a fantasy/romance novel, for instance the passage where Kylo looking for Rey after her escape, he want to find her badly as if she is a part of him that he is dying to get back and then there's that interrogation  Laughing
@Sylvia Snow

And don't forget:. According to ADF, he touched her anew... Laughing

_________________
"Kylo and Rey are two halves of the dark and the light.” - Rian Johnson
avatar
IoJovi
Moderator

Messages : 6167
Likes : 33457
Date d'inscription : 2016-03-26
Age : 101
Localisation : Atlanta, GA

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by SoloSideCousin on Thu 2 Jun - 4:13

Sylvia Snow wrote:In my opinion, both Rey and Kylo have this "What just happened?" Faces, I don't know for sure but maybe during their duel they just too focus on one another and discarded the surrounding area even if it's collapsing. Some sort of "Finding the Force" within each other

Kylo's expressions


And this are Rey's expression




Their expression somewhat mirrors one another, disbelief, . In the second picture, Rey even shows genuine concern for Kylo, she even have the blue light illustrated half of her face, the same side of Kylo's scar
@Sylvia Snow

Has anyone analyzed that streak of hair across her face? Is that a mirror image to his scar? Like her dark moment was a scar on her soul or something?
avatar
SoloSideCousin
Force Ghost
Force Ghost

Messages : 3466
Likes : 15549
Date d'inscription : 2016-03-25

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by IoJovi on Thu 2 Jun - 4:16

Good catch! And that is most definitely his blood on her chin.

_________________
"Kylo and Rey are two halves of the dark and the light.” - Rian Johnson
avatar
IoJovi
Moderator

Messages : 6167
Likes : 33457
Date d'inscription : 2016-03-26
Age : 101
Localisation : Atlanta, GA

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by Sylvia Snow on Thu 2 Jun - 4:33

@SoloSideCousin

Oh, that's interesting! On the first picture of Rey, her hair and the shadow cast by the blue light on her cheek bone form this arrow shape, that kind of looks like a "horizontal line" or more correctly like a "positive parabola" across her face, while Kylo is having a physical scar that is some what like a "diagonal line" or an "inverse hyperbolic tangent" scar across his face

Sorry I have to use those mathematics description but that is all I can think of right now Embarassed
avatar
Sylvia Snow
Force Ghost
Force Ghost

Messages : 1384
Likes : 5682
Date d'inscription : 2016-03-26

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by Slade on Thu 2 Jun - 5:09

SoloSideCousin wrote:
Sylvia Snow wrote:In my opinion, both Rey and Kylo have this "What just happened?" Faces, I don't know for sure but maybe during their duel they just too focus on one another and discarded the surrounding area even if it's collapsing. Some sort of "Finding the Force" within each other

Kylo's expressions


And this are Rey's expression




Their expression somewhat mirrors one another, disbelief, . In the second picture, Rey even shows genuine concern for Kylo, she even have the blue light illustrated half of her face, the same side of Kylo's scar
@Sylvia Snow

Has anyone analyzed that streak of hair across her face? Is that a mirror image to his scar? Like her dark moment was a scar on her soul or something?
@SoloSideCousin

I think its blood on her cheek too, not hair. Kylo's blood.
avatar
Slade
Jedi Master
Jedi Master

Messages : 930
Likes : 3255
Date d'inscription : 2016-05-25

Back to top Go down

Re: Rey's facial expression

Post by SoloSideCousin on Thu 2 Jun - 5:27

Sylvia Snow wrote:@SoloSideCousin

Oh, that's interesting! On the first picture of Rey, her hair and the shadow cast by the blue light on her cheek bone form this arrow shape, that kind of looks like a "horizontal line" or more correctly like a "positive parabola" across her face, while Kylo is having a physical scar that is some what like a "diagonal line" or an "inverse hyperbolic tangent" scar across his face

Sorry I have to use those mathematics description but that is all I can think of right now Embarassed
@Sylvia Snow

For the math dim among us ... would those trajectories of those lines tell us anything ... or are they just too marred faces?

Also the blood on her face is huge. Not only has she spilt his blood or drawn blood ... with it being so close to her mouth ... could it also mean the taste of blood ... with maybe implications for guilt and/or the dark side?
avatar
SoloSideCousin
Force Ghost
Force Ghost

Messages : 3466
Likes : 15549
Date d'inscription : 2016-03-25

Back to top Go down

Page 1 of 5 1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

View previous topic View next topic Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum