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Post by motherofpearl1 on Sat 18 Feb - 16:43

@Piper Maru wrote:I enjoy the PT, yes.

The Phantom Menace is... complicated, but I like it because it was the first SW movie I watched on the theaters.

Attack of the Clones has a terrible script, but I love Padmé and Obi-Wan.

Revenge of the Sith is great and one of my favorite SW movies. I love Anakin and his descent, I love his fight with Obi-Wan, and the scene where he becomes Darth Vader is one of the best scenes of the franchise.


Ditto.
I also think that it was the first film that actually showed the Jedi in a not - so - saintly light; at least for me. The scene where Obi Wan leaves Anakin to die in agony still creeps me out. I actually can't see Luke doing that.
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Re: Are you a fan of the Prequels?

Post by CienaRee on Sat 18 Feb - 17:40

@motherofpearl1 wrote:
@Piper Maru wrote:I enjoy the PT, yes.

The Phantom Menace is... complicated, but I like it because it was the first SW movie I watched on the theaters.

Attack of the Clones has a terrible script, but I love Padmé and Obi-Wan.

Revenge of the Sith is great and one of my favorite SW movies. I love Anakin and his descent, I love his fight with Obi-Wan, and the scene where he becomes Darth Vader is one of the best scenes of the franchise.


Ditto.
I also think that it was the first film that actually showed the Jedi in a not - so - saintly light; at least for me. The scene where Obi Wan leaves Anakin to die in agony still creeps me out. I actually can't see Luke doing that.
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I deffinatly think RTS is the best movie of the prequals.I actually really like some of GL's ideas and what he was trying to do unfortunately he just didn't have a group of people to help him excute the ideas in a good way like in the OT because there was so much more potential than what we ended up getting.For example I've read some wonderful Padme metas over the importance of her character and how she could have had much better storyline than she ended up getting.

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Re: Are you a fan of the Prequels?

Post by Kessel on Sat 18 Feb - 18:26

@CienaRee wrote:
@motherofpearl1 wrote:
@Piper Maru wrote:I enjoy the PT, yes.

The Phantom Menace is... complicated, but I like it because it was the first SW movie I watched on the theaters.

Attack of the Clones has a terrible script, but I love Padmé and Obi-Wan.

Revenge of the Sith is great and one of my favorite SW movies. I love Anakin and his descent, I love his fight with Obi-Wan, and the scene where he becomes Darth Vader is one of the best scenes of the franchise.

Ditto.
I also think that it was the first film that actually showed the Jedi in a not - so - saintly light; at least for me. The scene where Obi Wan leaves Anakin to die in agony still creeps me out. I actually can't see Luke doing that.
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I deffinatly think RTS is the best movie of the prequals.I actually really like some of GL's ideas and what he was trying to do unfortunately he just didn't have a group of people to help him excute the ideas in a good way like in the OT because there was so much more potential than what we ended up getting.For example I've read some wonderful Padme metas over the importance of her character and how she could have had much better storyline than she ended up getting.
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Yeah, the general idea and outline for the PT were good, but the execution and many of the small creative decisions/details were not well done. I think it's been said that Lucas was the ultimate decision maker when it came to every aspect of the production and he was  director too, so... I think that was a lot of the problem. it would probably have been better had there been more decision making and input from others when it came to the process and execution.

I don't hate the PT, there were good things, but many things were not ideal, imo. I really wish Padme's role had been given more substance since she was the twins' mother and a large part of Anakin's fall. I still can't get over the desccion to have her "lose the will to live" which I found to be one of the worst mistakes in the PT.  I also wish the romance between her and Anakin had been executed a little differently and that Anakin's fall had more emotional build up. I know there was some build up, but it ultimately felt rushed and a little hollow to me. I also have some issues with Anakin's characterization so that colors a lot of my negative impressions of his fall, so I can kind of understand the complaints some people have made about Kylo being Anakin "well done." Don't get my wrong, I don't think Hayden Christiansen did a terrible job and it didn't stop me from being emotionally moved and saddened when Anakin became Vader, but the characterization had some issues.
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Re: Are you a fan of the Prequels?

Post by CienaRee on Sat 18 Feb - 19:35

Kessel89 wrote:
@CienaRee wrote:
@motherofpearl1 wrote:
@Piper Maru wrote:I enjoy the PT, yes.

The Phantom Menace is... complicated, but I like it because it was the first SW movie I watched on the theaters.

Attack of the Clones has a terrible script, but I love Padmé and Obi-Wan.

Revenge of the Sith is great and one of my favorite SW movies. I love Anakin and his descent, I love his fight with Obi-Wan, and the scene where he becomes Darth Vader is one of the best scenes of the franchise.

Ditto.
I also think that it was the first film that actually showed the Jedi in a not - so - saintly light; at least for me. The scene where Obi Wan leaves Anakin to die in agony still creeps me out. I actually can't see Luke doing that.
@Piper Maru

@motherofpearl1

I deffinatly think RTS is the best movie of the prequals.I actually really like some of GL's ideas and what he was trying to do unfortunately he just didn't have a group of people to help him excute the ideas in a good way like in the OT because there was so much more potential than what we ended up getting.For example I've read some wonderful Padme metas over the importance of her character and how she could have had much better storyline than she ended up getting.
@CienaRee

Yeah, the general idea and outline for the PT were good, but the execution and many of the small creative decisions/details were not well done. I think it's been said that Lucas was the ultimate decision maker when it came to every aspect of the production and he was  director too, so... I think that was a lot of the problem. it would probably have been better had there been more decision making and input from others when it came to the process and execution.

I don't hate the PT, there were good things, but many things were not ideal, imo. I really wish Padme's role had been given more substance since she was the twins' mother and a large part of Anakin's fall. I still can't get over the desccion to have her "lose the will to live" which I found to be one of the worst mistakes in the PT.  I also wish the romance between her and Anakin had been executed a little differently and that Anakin's fall had more emotional build up. I know there was some build up, but it ultimately felt rushed and a little hollow to me. I also have some issues with Anakin's characterization so that colors a lot of my negative impressions of his fall, so I can kind of understand the complaints some people have made about Kylo being Anakin "well done." Don't get my wrong, I don't think Hayden Christiansen did a terrible job and it didn't stop me from being emotionally moved and saddened when Anakin became Vader, but the characterization had some issues.
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Yeah,I mean the more I think about it the whole ''turning to the DS to save Padme'' had potential but the execution just didn't make much sense.I mean we see him be torn and anguished over whether he should betray the Jedi Council or let his wife die and after Mace dies he's still horrified by what he's done but suddenly he's ready to kill children and his best friend and father figure because he wanted more power eventhough GL had scarpped that idea earlier.What was even the point to make Padme the reason for Anakin's fall.
And don't get me started with the whole ''lost the will''crap I've seen some fans try to excuse it but that's also a plotline that makes absolutely no sense because even in her dying moments Padme still believes there's good in Anakin.So you're telli g me she'll just give up whne she believes her husband can be saved +having two infant children that need her?Seriously f**** this crap,I hate it so much it's such an insult to Padme's character.

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Re: Are you a fan of the Prequels?

Post by snufkin on Sat 18 Feb - 20:50

What I do find interesting is the depth of nerd rage it seems to have triggered. Like people feel personally betrayed when it's obviously one man's passion project. I only watched the first movie b/c a neighbor of mine from school got a job at Silicon Graphics to work on the CGI.  It seems more like a missed opportunity that got buried under the CGI, costumes, and badly written space politics. Even when I went on a date to see the re-release of the first movie, that really wasn't enough interest me enough to feel invested in the PT.  

The story itself, I had expected it to be more complex between the characters and something like Camelot. What you got instead was a pair of dumb, lovesick  teenagers. Padme comes off like an over earnest student body president or Diane Court in Say Anything  with a dumb jock boyfriend who has a serious anger management problem. They're just a pair of dumb kids instead of something epic.  I finally watched the whole thing after seeing TFA and can see that part of making things right might be having writers and actors who could pull off the type of forbidden love/DS and LS story the PT failed at. The other thing that hit me over the head was how much of this might have been inspired by Dune. Frank Herbert's original novel tells this story so much better than all 3 PT movies combined.

Also one thing in favor of R1 was in bringing back Jimmy Smits, who is a bad a** and in a more just world, would be (should be) an icon on the level of Harrison Ford and Ewan McGregor. Too bad they didn't make his character more central to space politics because he's one of those actors who walks off with every scene he's in. After reading Bloodline, I would love to see some kind of reference to him in the ST as the two competing patriarchs in the family lineage. His taking in Leia and raising/mentoring her is LS parallel to Snoke and Ben.
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