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Post by IoJovi on Mon 8 Aug - 6:07

@panki wrote:In the EU, there are sith acolytes who used to wear masks and studied under a sith lord.... this system existed prior to Darth Bane's Rule of Two (only two official sith- a master and an apprentice) so there is a chance that someone familiar with the really ancient sith ways is teaching them all this....maybe we're getting the first hints of the existence of Snoke here? I know Snoke himself isn't sith but he might be familiar with the ancient ways of the sith since archaeology and finding ancient sith artifacts plays a prominent role in the ST.

I'm also intrigued by these lines from Life Debt:

Phantasms pursue her. She dreams of Han, dead in the snow. She dreams of poor Chewie in a cage somewhere. She dreams of herself on a table, dying as her child—no, children—are born. Then comes a vision of Luke, lost among the stars, searching for something and failing, never returning. She dreams of being lost in a forest, and then of being lost inside the Death Star—she and Luke and Han are fleeing stormtroopers, trying desperately to get back to the Falcon after Obi-Wan powers down the tractor beam controls, but now she knows the dread truth: He failed, he died, and the ship is still anchored there, and even if they could find their way out of the tangle of passages, they’ll never escape…

The first thing is that Leia's visions remind me the ones Anakin had, which led him to make some decisions that pushed him towards the dark side... I wonder if she continued to have scary visions and that is what made her send Ben away to Luke....also, a part of her vision did end up coming true- Han died on Starkiller base which was a snowy planet...another thing that is curious is that she mentions dying during childbirth and having children.... now this could be her experiencing Anakin's vision of Padme's death....but could Han and Leia has lost a child? A child's death can also create a rift in a marriage and their problems might have nothing to do with Ben...and it would have had some impact on Ben's childhood and life as well.
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This line confused the heck out of me at first, but now it makes sense. I don't believe Leia was pregnant with twins, as it would have stated she felt another presence besides Ben's, and we didn't see any of that.

Now get it - it was Padme she was dreaming of, and her own birth. And yes, I did catch that about Han in the snow, since Starkiller was essentially a snow planet - makes sense.
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Mon 8 Aug - 6:13

@IoJovi wrote:
@panki wrote:In the EU, there are sith acolytes who used to wear masks and studied under a sith lord.... this system existed prior to Darth Bane's Rule of Two (only two official sith- a master and an apprentice) so there is a chance that someone familiar with the really ancient sith ways is teaching them all this....maybe we're getting the first hints of the existence of Snoke here? I know Snoke himself isn't sith but he might be familiar with the ancient ways of the sith since archaeology and finding ancient sith artifacts plays a prominent role in the ST.

I'm also intrigued by these lines from Life Debt:

Phantasms pursue her. She dreams of Han, dead in the snow. She dreams of poor Chewie in a cage somewhere. She dreams of herself on a table, dying as her child—no, children—are born. Then comes a vision of Luke, lost among the stars, searching for something and failing, never returning. She dreams of being lost in a forest, and then of being lost inside the Death Star—she and Luke and Han are fleeing stormtroopers, trying desperately to get back to the Falcon after Obi-Wan powers down the tractor beam controls, but now she knows the dread truth: He failed, he died, and the ship is still anchored there, and even if they could find their way out of the tangle of passages, they’ll never escape…

The first thing is that Leia's visions remind me the ones Anakin had, which led him to make some decisions that pushed him towards the dark side... I wonder if she continued to have scary visions and that is what made her send Ben away to Luke....also, a part of her vision did end up coming true- Han died on Starkiller base which was a snowy planet...another thing that is curious is that she mentions dying during childbirth and having children.... now this could be her experiencing Anakin's vision of Padme's death....but could Han and Leia has lost a child? A child's death can also create a rift in a marriage and their problems might have nothing to do with Ben...and it would have had some impact on Ben's childhood and life as well.
@panki

This line confused the heck out of me at first, but now it makes sense. I don't believe Leia was pregnant with twins, as it would have stated she felt another presence besides Ben's, and we didn't see any of that.

Now get it - it was Padme she was dreaming of, and her own birth. And yes, I did catch that about Han in the snow, since Starkiller was essentially a snow planet - makes sense.
@IoJovi

Agreed on all of that. The "being lost in a forest" sounds a bit like Rey's vision, too.

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Re: Aftermath: Life Debt by Chuck Wending

Post by guardienne on Mon 8 Aug - 12:34

i haven't read the book or this thread properly, i was just struck by the roman names in the book.
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Re: Aftermath: Life Debt by Chuck Wending

Post by panki on Tue 9 Aug - 14:11

@IoJovi wrote:
@panki wrote:In the EU, there are sith acolytes who used to wear masks and studied under a sith lord.... this system existed prior to Darth Bane's Rule of Two (only two official sith- a master and an apprentice) so there is a chance that someone familiar with the really ancient sith ways is teaching them all this....maybe we're getting the first hints of the existence of Snoke here? I know Snoke himself isn't sith but he might be familiar with the ancient ways of the sith since archaeology and finding ancient sith artifacts plays a prominent role in the ST.

I'm also intrigued by these lines from Life Debt:

Phantasms pursue her. She dreams of Han, dead in the snow. She dreams of poor Chewie in a cage somewhere. She dreams of herself on a table, dying as her child—no, children—are born. Then comes a vision of Luke, lost among the stars, searching for something and failing, never returning. She dreams of being lost in a forest, and then of being lost inside the Death Star—she and Luke and Han are fleeing stormtroopers, trying desperately to get back to the Falcon after Obi-Wan powers down the tractor beam controls, but now she knows the dread truth: He failed, he died, and the ship is still anchored there, and even if they could find their way out of the tangle of passages, they’ll never escape…

The first thing is that Leia's visions remind me the ones Anakin had, which led him to make some decisions that pushed him towards the dark side... I wonder if she continued to have scary visions and that is what made her send Ben away to Luke....also, a part of her vision did end up coming true- Han died on Starkiller base which was a snowy planet...another thing that is curious is that she mentions dying during childbirth and having children.... now this could be her experiencing Anakin's vision of Padme's death....but could Han and Leia has lost a child? A child's death can also create a rift in a marriage and their problems might have nothing to do with Ben...and it would have had some impact on Ben's childhood and life as well.
@panki

This line confused the heck out of me at first, but now it makes sense.  I don't believe Leia was pregnant with twins, as it would have stated she felt another presence besides Ben's, and we didn't see any of that.  

Now get it - it was Padme she was dreaming of, and her own birth.  And yes, I did catch that about Han in the snow, since Starkiller was essentially a snow planet - makes sense.  
@IoJovi

While the most plausible explanation of Leia's force vision is that she was seeing Padme's death, there is another way of looking at it...

For one thing, Leia might not have sensed she was having twins....even force prodigy Anakin thought Padme was going to have a son, not twins (he didn't know about Leia till ROTJ) and Leia is nowhere as strong as him.....even the serpent puzzle tree Leia meditated on with intertwining branches hints at duality of some sort.....and even if they didn't have twins but had a second child who died in childhood, it would explain why they were already leading separate lives even before Ben fell to the dark side (the pain and guilt associated with losing a child). Leia buried herself in work and Han took to mentoring young people and managing a racing team. It would also explain Ben being shipped off to Luke and his feelings of abandonment and betrayal (he might have felt neglected at a time he needed them the most). I am going to take a guess here and say Ben had  sibling who died in a flying accident.... it also could connect to PH's cryptic tweet about Ben's piloting skills. (not that Ben caused the death but Leia might have blamed Han and stopped Ben's flying lessons)

Siblings are a big thing in SW.....so far the important ST characters are all only children. Look at all the references to sibling relationships:
PT/ Clone wars:  Darth Maul and Savage Opress (and Feral); Ventress and her fellow Nightsisters (related by blood and belief)
OT: Luke and Leia
Aftermath: Norra Wexley and her sister (who brought Temmin up when Norra was away)
Lost Stars: Ciena Ree and her dead twin; Thane and his elder brother

The only other option is that Rey or Finn has a sibling somewhere in the galaxy.
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Re: Aftermath: Life Debt by Chuck Wending

Post by jakkusun on Wed 17 Aug - 11:53

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Idk if this has been said before but I think there is a parallel between Adea and Kylo Ren. Rae Sloane said she sees herself as similar to Leia. Leia is the face of the New Republic, and Rae the face of the Empire. Rae says that she could see Adea as her daughter in another life. But Adea betrays her and tries to kill her because Adea was manipulated by Gallius Rax. To me, this seems very similar to how Kylo Ren was seduced to the dark side by Snoke and kills his father. The parallels between Galli and Snoke have been much discussed already, so that makes sense. What is interesting is that Rae decides that Adea is lost to Gallius Rax, and then kills her. Leia refused to believe her son was truly gone, and sends Han to save him. I think Rae and Leia could be seen as foils, since I don't think Leia would give up and decide her son must be killed, but it's not like such things haven't happened before (like The Father saying The Son must be killed in the Mortis arc--just posted in that thread).

It's just an interesting additional parallel. Brentin has already been compared to Kylo Ren a lot, since he was brainwashed and when he is talking to Norra and the sun goes behind the clouds, his face goes dark, which is similar to when the sun disappeared and then Kylo Ren went dark and killed Han. But Adea's betrayal was more by choice, even though there was certainly some (very disgusting) manipulation going on.

It is also interesting how in the scene where Leia feels Ben through the force, she is meditating in a padded room and focusing on something she brought back from Endor--the tree. It reminded me of the so-nicknamed "padded room" in which Kylo Ren meditates on another artifact from Endor--Vader's burnt mask. I wonder if he meditates on dark artifacts in a similar way to how Luke teaches Leia to meditate on things. It is just a fun parallel.

Also, to respond to your theory about Kylo Ren havin a sibling, @panki, I think it is certainly possible (and since I just watched the Mortis arc, it would be just like how The Son accidentally killed The Daughter). It couldn't be a twin though, since I think Leia would have felt the second child through the force when she felt Ben. The only issue with another sibling who isn't a twin, just a younger sibling, would be that they are never mentioned in Bloodline or in TFA, though perhaps the memory is too painful to be brought up that often. I think it is still a possibility, I think, and would make an interesting backstory.

I do wonder where the siblings are in this trilogy.
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Re: Aftermath: Life Debt by Chuck Wending

Post by panki on Wed 17 Aug - 12:16

@jakkusun wrote:
Spoiler:
Idk if this has been said before but I think there is a parallel between Adea and Kylo Ren. Rae Sloane said she sees herself as similar to Leia. Leia is the face of the New Republic, and Rae the face of the Empire. Rae says that she could see Adea as her daughter in another life. But Adea betrays her and tries to kill her because Adea was manipulated by Gallius Rax. To me, this seems very similar to how Kylo Ren was seduced to the dark side by Snoke and kills his father. The parallels between Galli and Snoke have been much discussed already, so that makes sense. What is interesting is that Rae decides that Adea is lost to Gallius Rax, and then kills her. Leia refused to believe her son was truly gone, and sends Han to save him. I think Rae and Leia could be seen as foils, since I don't think Leia would give up and decide her son must be killed, but it's not like such things haven't happened before (like The Father saying The Son must be killed in the Mortis arc--just posted in that thread).

It's just an interesting additional parallel. Brentin has already been compared to Kylo Ren a lot, since he was brainwashed and when he is talking to Norra and the sun goes behind the clouds, his face goes dark, which is similar to when the sun disappeared and then Kylo Ren went dark and killed Han. But Adea's betrayal was more by choice, even though there was certainly some (very disgusting) manipulation going on.

It is also interesting how in the scene where Leia feels Ben through the force, she is meditating in a padded room and focusing on something she brought back from Endor--the tree. It reminded me of the so-nicknamed "padded room" in which Kylo Ren meditates on another artifact from Endor--Vader's burnt mask. I wonder if he meditates on dark artifacts in a similar way to how Luke teaches Leia to meditate on things. It is just a fun parallel.

Also, to respond to your theory about Kylo Ren havin a sibling, @panki, I think it is certainly possible (and since I just watched the Mortis arc, it would be just like how The Son accidentally killed The Daughter). It couldn't be a twin though, since I think Leia would have felt the second child through the force when she felt Ben. The only issue with another sibling who isn't a twin, just a younger sibling, would be that they are never mentioned in Bloodline or in TFA, though perhaps the memory is too painful to be brought up that often. I think it is still a possibility, I think, and would make an interesting backstory.

I do wonder where the siblings are in this trilogy.
@jakkusun

Those are great catches! The parallels between the mother-child relationships of Leia-Ben vs. Rae-Adea......both busy and ambitious mothers with obedient children (motherly sentiment in Rae's case)...and both children being manipulated by an evil creeper (i'm glad they didn't make Snoke female) ....but I did notice one slight different here- Kylo actually tries to save Leia's life when he tells Snoke he'll get the information he wants and doesn't want the resistance base blown up ...similarly, Leia makes a similar attempt to save Kylo by telling Han there is still good in their son but in case Han had failed, the truth is that Kylo would have died on Starkiller base. In Rae and Adea's case, Adea actively attempts to kill Rae and Rae kills Adea, though unhappily.


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Re: Aftermath: Life Debt by Chuck Wending

Post by Guest on Wed 17 Aug - 23:26

The release of Aftermath: Empire's End has been delayed slightly from 31st January 2017 to 21st February 2017. The reason given is to adjust the spacing between books.


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Post by panki on Wed 17 Aug - 23:29

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:The release of Aftermath: Empire's End has been delayed slightly from 31st January 2017 to 21st February 2017. The reason given is adjust the spacing between books.
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Even the gap between most comic book releases has increased as well.... scratch There is now nearly a month and a half to two months gap between comics that were released on a monthly basis before.... Suspect Or maybe they want time for RO to stay in the news before Episode VIII spoilers overshadow it.

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Re: Aftermath: Life Debt by Chuck Wending

Post by Guest on Wed 17 Aug - 23:40

@panki wrote:
Mrs Ben Solo wrote:The release of Aftermath: Empire's End has been delayed slightly from 31st January 2017 to 21st February 2017. The reason given is adjust the spacing between books.
@Mrs Ben Solo

Even the gap between most comic book releases has increased as well.... scratch There is now nearly a month and a half to two months gap between comics that were released on a monthly basis before.... Suspect Or maybe they want time for RO to stay in the news before Episode VIII spoilers overshadow it.
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It is slightly suspicious. You could be on to something there with the timing of Rogue One. If Empire's End drops some major hints for Episode VIII it will shift the focus of hype back onto that movie when they will want to capitalise on Rogue One. But then again, the books never get as much hype as the movies. The anthology films will probably have a shorter shelf life than the saga ones, though, so I can understand that they'd want to milk it for all its worth!

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Post by CienaRee on Wed 17 Aug - 23:40

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:The release of Aftermath: Empire's End has been delayed slightly from 31st January 2017 to 21st February 2017. The reason given is to adjust the spacing between books.
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Lol,what a councidence they'll be releasing it on my brithday. Very Happy

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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Thu 18 Aug - 0:00

@jakkusun wrote:
Spoiler:
Idk if this has been said before but I think there is a parallel between Adea and Kylo Ren. Rae Sloane said she sees herself as similar to Leia. Leia is the face of the New Republic, and Rae the face of the Empire. Rae says that she could see Adea as her daughter in another life. But Adea betrays her and tries to kill her because Adea was manipulated by Gallius Rax. To me, this seems very similar to how Kylo Ren was seduced to the dark side by Snoke and kills his father. The parallels between Galli and Snoke have been much discussed already, so that makes sense. What is interesting is that Rae decides that Adea is lost to Gallius Rax, and then kills her. Leia refused to believe her son was truly gone, and sends Han to save him. I think Rae and Leia could be seen as foils, since I don't think Leia would give up and decide her son must be killed, but it's not like such things haven't happened before (like The Father saying The Son must be killed in the Mortis arc--just posted in that thread).

It's just an interesting additional parallel. Brentin has already been compared to Kylo Ren a lot, since he was brainwashed and when he is talking to Norra and the sun goes behind the clouds, his face goes dark, which is similar to when the sun disappeared and then Kylo Ren went dark and killed Han. But Adea's betrayal was more by choice, even though there was certainly some (very disgusting) manipulation going on.

It is also interesting how in the scene where Leia feels Ben through the force, she is meditating in a padded room and focusing on something she brought back from Endor--the tree. It reminded me of the so-nicknamed "padded room" in which Kylo Ren meditates on another artifact from Endor--Vader's burnt mask. I wonder if he meditates on dark artifacts in a similar way to how Luke teaches Leia to meditate on things. It is just a fun parallel.

Also, to respond to your theory about Kylo Ren havin a sibling, @panki, I think it is certainly possible (and since I just watched the Mortis arc, it would be just like how The Son accidentally killed The Daughter). It couldn't be a twin though, since I think Leia would have felt the second child through the force when she felt Ben. The only issue with another sibling who isn't a twin, just a younger sibling, would be that they are never mentioned in Bloodline or in TFA, though perhaps the memory is too painful to be brought up that often. I think it is still a possibility, I think, and would make an interesting backstory.

I do wonder where the siblings are in this trilogy.
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Great catch! Very interesting parallel that you identified.
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Post by FrolickingFizzgig on Thu 18 Aug - 0:08

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:
@panki wrote:
Mrs Ben Solo wrote:The release of Aftermath: Empire's End has been delayed slightly from 31st January 2017 to 21st February 2017. The reason given is adjust the spacing between books.
@Mrs Ben Solo

Even the gap between most comic book releases has increased as well.... scratch There is now nearly a month and a half to two months gap between comics that were released on a monthly basis before.... Suspect Or maybe they want time for RO to stay in the news before Episode VIII spoilers overshadow it.
@panki

It is slightly suspicious. You could be on to something there with the timing of Rogue One. If Empire's End drops some major hints for Episode VIII it will shift the focus of hype back onto that movie when they will want to capitalise on Rogue One. But then again, the books never get as much hype as the movies. The anthology films will probably have a shorter shelf life than the saga ones, though, so I can understand that they'd want to milk it for all its worth!
@Mrs Ben Solo
I think that's the best explanation. I can't think of any other to be honest. It goes along with pushing the release date of VIII back. They probably want more time to work on things and realized that if they spaced them out Rogue One wouldn't be overshadowed in any way by whatever reveals are in Empire's End. It's a book so I'm not expecting anything huge, but I guess we'll see in due time.
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Thu 25 Aug - 21:04

I finally finished Life Debt while on vacation!

Anyone else thinking that with everything lining up for the big climax in Empire's End to take place on Jakku, it might be setting things up for Ben to be born there?

I can't believe the way Leia is running around that late in her pregnancy. By the time I was third trimester, none of my shoes fit any more, and I couldn't wear anything on my feet other than flipflops. Not to mention that I waddled when I walked, etc.
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Post by SoloSideCousin on Thu 25 Aug - 21:43

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:I finally finished Life Debt while on vacation!

Anyone else thinking that with everything lining up for the big climax in Empire's End to take place on Jakku, it might be setting things up for Ben to be born there?

I can't believe the way Leia is running around that late in her pregnancy. By the time I was third trimester, none of my shoes fit any more, and I couldn't wear anything on my feet other than flipflops. Not to mention that I waddled when I walked, etc.
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On the first bolded, I think they are. It will be a metaphor for him to be born into devastation like that. Also, with whatever is buried on Jakku, could he have had some kind of dark side exposure? I don't know how, but there might be something there.

On the second bolded, it must be the Force! Laughing Leia might hate Vader, but I bet he and his Force stopped all manner of things like swollen feet and stretch marks and heartburn. (I didn't get the swollen feet until after my C-section, but my belly was ridiculous and my stretch marks are legendary. I also had a cold the entire time. They call is "rhinitis of pregnancy." No cold for Leia I bet! Very Happy

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Post by snufkin on Thu 25 Aug - 21:46

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:I finally finished Life Debt while on vacation!

Anyone else thinking that with everything lining up for the big climax in Empire's End to take place on Jakku, it might be setting things up for Ben to be born there?

I can't believe the way Leia is running around that late in her pregnancy. By the time I was third trimester, none of my shoes fit any more, and I couldn't wear anything on my feet other than flipflops. Not to mention that I waddled when I walked, etc.
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If they have Leia give birth anywhere in vicinity of the AT-AT Rey lives in, well Rey's already got the MF and they've hinted that's where he was conceived.
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Post by SoloSideCousin on Thu 25 Aug - 21:51

@snufkin wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:I finally finished Life Debt while on vacation!

Anyone else thinking that with everything lining up for the big climax in Empire's End to take place on Jakku, it might be setting things up for Ben to be born there?

I can't believe the way Leia is running around that late in her pregnancy. By the time I was third trimester, none of my shoes fit any more, and I couldn't wear anything on my feet other than flipflops. Not to mention that I waddled when I walked, etc.
@ISeeAnIsland

If they have Leia give birth anywhere in vicinity of the AT-AT Rey lives in, well Rey's already got the MF and they've hinted that's where he was conceived.
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The back of that book cover supposedly has the AT-AT on it!
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Thu 25 Aug - 21:52

@SoloSideCousin wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:I finally finished Life Debt while on vacation!

Anyone else thinking that with everything lining up for the big climax in Empire's End to take place on Jakku, it might be setting things up for Ben to be born there?

I can't believe the way Leia is running around that late in her pregnancy. By the time I was third trimester, none of my shoes fit any more, and I couldn't wear anything on my feet other than flipflops. Not to mention that I waddled when I walked, etc.
@ISeeAnIsland

On the first bolded, I think they are. It will be a metaphor for him to be born into devastation like that. Also, with whatever is buried on Jakku, could he have had some kind of dark side exposure? I don't know how, but there might be something there.

On the second bolded, it must be the Force! Laughing Leia might hate Vader, but I bet he and his Force stopped all manner of things like swollen feet and stretch marks and heartburn. (I didn't get the swollen feet until after my C-section, but my belly was ridiculous and my stretch marks are legendary. I also had a cold the entire time. They call is "rhinitis of pregnancy." No cold for Leia I bet! Very Happy

@SoloSideCousin

I also had gestational rhinitis! It wasn't fun. I couldn't breathe, and I snored horribly from ~week 20 on. I believe that Life Debt did mention that Leia had morning sickness, so she at least had that to deal with.

Yeah, I was thinking either some sort of dark side exposure or something to link Ben and Rey (with Rey's time on Jakku). Especially if Rey was also born there...perhaps there's something there that links them together in the Force.
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Re: Aftermath: Life Debt by Chuck Wending

Post by Blackcanary on Thu 25 Aug - 21:52

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:I finally finished Life Debt while on vacation!

Anyone else thinking that with everything lining up for the big climax in Empire's End to take place on Jakku, it might be setting things up for Ben to be born there?

I can't believe the way Leia is running around that late in her pregnancy. By the time I was third trimester, none of my shoes fit any more, and I couldn't wear anything on my feet other than flipflops. Not to mention that I waddled when I walked, etc.
@ISeeAnIsland

Yup, I thought the same thing!

If Rax DOES turn out to be Snoke, it would also be an ideal opportunity to bring him into initial contact with Ben (perhaps Leia is captured, goes into labour in the custody of the Imperials or similar?)

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Re: Aftermath: Life Debt by Chuck Wending

Post by CienaRee on Thu 25 Aug - 22:49

@Blackcanary wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:I finally finished Life Debt while on vacation!

Anyone else thinking that with everything lining up for the big climax in Empire's End to take place on Jakku, it might be setting things up for Ben to be born there?

I can't believe the way Leia is running around that late in her pregnancy. By the time I was third trimester, none of my shoes fit any more, and I couldn't wear anything on my feet other than flipflops. Not to mention that I waddled when I walked, etc.
@ISeeAnIsland

Yup, I thought the same thing!

If Rax DOES turn out to be Snoke, it would also be an ideal opportunity to bring him into initial contact with Ben (perhaps Leia is captured, goes into labour in the custody of the Imperials or similar?)

@Blackcanary

Actually it looks like Rax is human according to Chuck Widling: 
https://twitter.com/ChuckWendig/status/759794914624409600
Snoke is a humanoid so I guess the theory that he's Rax's debunked.
I would love if Ben's born on Jakku it would give him yet another connection to Rey I  hope his birth happens in the next book it would be fitting.

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Re: Aftermath: Life Debt by Chuck Wending

Post by SoloSideCousin on Thu 25 Aug - 23:03

@CienaRee wrote:
@Blackcanary wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:I finally finished Life Debt while on vacation!

Anyone else thinking that with everything lining up for the big climax in Empire's End to take place on Jakku, it might be setting things up for Ben to be born there?

I can't believe the way Leia is running around that late in her pregnancy. By the time I was third trimester, none of my shoes fit any more, and I couldn't wear anything on my feet other than flipflops. Not to mention that I waddled when I walked, etc.
@ISeeAnIsland

Yup, I thought the same thing!

If Rax DOES turn out to be Snoke, it would also be an ideal opportunity to bring him into initial contact with Ben (perhaps Leia is captured, goes into labour in the custody of the Imperials or similar?)

@Blackcanary

Actually it looks like Rax is human according to Chuck Widling: 
https://twitter.com/ChuckWendig/status/759794914624409600
Snoke is a humanoid so I guess the theory that he's Rax's debunked.
I would love if Ben's born on Jakku it would give him yet another connection to Rey I  hope his birth happens in the next book it would be fitting.
@CienaRee

I swear with how that AT-AT is supposed to be on the back cover of Aftermath 3, I wouldn't be surprised if Ben was born there and Rey ended up living there. :-)
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Re: Aftermath: Life Debt by Chuck Wending

Post by CienaRee on Thu 25 Aug - 23:16

@SoloSideCousin wrote:
@CienaRee wrote:
@Blackcanary wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:I finally finished Life Debt while on vacation!

Anyone else thinking that with everything lining up for the big climax in Empire's End to take place on Jakku, it might be setting things up for Ben to be born there?

I can't believe the way Leia is running around that late in her pregnancy. By the time I was third trimester, none of my shoes fit any more, and I couldn't wear anything on my feet other than flipflops. Not to mention that I waddled when I walked, etc.
@ISeeAnIsland

Yup, I thought the same thing!

If Rax DOES turn out to be Snoke, it would also be an ideal opportunity to bring him into initial contact with Ben (perhaps Leia is captured, goes into labour in the custody of the Imperials or similar?)

@Blackcanary

Actually it looks like Rax is human according to Chuck Widling: 
https://twitter.com/ChuckWendig/status/759794914624409600
Snoke is a humanoid so I guess the theory that he's Rax's debunked.
I would love if Ben's born on Jakku it would give him yet another connection to Rey I  hope his birth happens in the next book it would be fitting.
@CienaRee

I swear with how that AT-AT is supposed to be on the back cover of Aftermath 3, I wouldn't be surprised if Ben was born there and Rey ended up living there. :-)
@SoloSideCousin
Seriously,don't do this to me.I have this headcanon that Kylo and Rey's firstborn is born on Jakku so if Kylo's born there I would be like ''Yes,omg Rey's living on Ben'' birth place.''Smile
I took the back cover as a clue that Rey's connected to the Empire but Ben being born there is also a really awesome theory(please let it be true that will certantly help us with the spoiler drought).

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Re: Aftermath: Life Debt by Chuck Wending

Post by ISeeAnIsland on Thu 25 Aug - 23:29

@CienaRee wrote:
@SoloSideCousin wrote:
@CienaRee wrote:
@Blackcanary wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:I finally finished Life Debt while on vacation!

Anyone else thinking that with everything lining up for the big climax in Empire's End to take place on Jakku, it might be setting things up for Ben to be born there?

I can't believe the way Leia is running around that late in her pregnancy. By the time I was third trimester, none of my shoes fit any more, and I couldn't wear anything on my feet other than flipflops. Not to mention that I waddled when I walked, etc.
@ISeeAnIsland

Yup, I thought the same thing!

If Rax DOES turn out to be Snoke, it would also be an ideal opportunity to bring him into initial contact with Ben (perhaps Leia is captured, goes into labour in the custody of the Imperials or similar?)

@Blackcanary

Actually it looks like Rax is human according to Chuck Widling: 
https://twitter.com/ChuckWendig/status/759794914624409600
Snoke is a humanoid so I guess the theory that he's Rax's debunked.
I would love if Ben's born on Jakku it would give him yet another connection to Rey I  hope his birth happens in the next book it would be fitting.
@CienaRee

I swear with how that AT-AT is supposed to be on the back cover of Aftermath 3, I wouldn't be surprised if Ben was born there and Rey ended up living there. :-)
@SoloSideCousin
Seriously,don't do this to me.I have this headcanon that Kylo and Rey's firstborn is born on Jakku so if Kylo's born there I would be like ''Yes,omg Rey's living on Ben'' birth place.''Smile
I took the back cover as a clue that Rey's connected to the Empire but Ben being born there is also a really awesome theory(please let it be true that will certantly help us with the spoiler drought).
@CienaRee

Why can't it be both? Twisted Evil
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Re: Aftermath: Life Debt by Chuck Wending

Post by CienaRee on Thu 25 Aug - 23:34

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@CienaRee wrote:
@SoloSideCousin wrote:
@CienaRee wrote:
@Blackcanary wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:I finally finished Life Debt while on vacation!

Anyone else thinking that with everything lining up for the big climax in Empire's End to take place on Jakku, it might be setting things up for Ben to be born there?

I can't believe the way Leia is running around that late in her pregnancy. By the time I was third trimester, none of my shoes fit any more, and I couldn't wear anything on my feet other than flipflops. Not to mention that I waddled when I walked, etc.
@ISeeAnIsland

Yup, I thought the same thing!

If Rax DOES turn out to be Snoke, it would also be an ideal opportunity to bring him into initial contact with Ben (perhaps Leia is captured, goes into labour in the custody of the Imperials or similar?)

@Blackcanary

Actually it looks like Rax is human according to Chuck Widling: 
https://twitter.com/ChuckWendig/status/759794914624409600
Snoke is a humanoid so I guess the theory that he's Rax's debunked.
I would love if Ben's born on Jakku it would give him yet another connection to Rey I  hope his birth happens in the next book it would be fitting.
@CienaRee

I swear with how that AT-AT is supposed to be on the back cover of Aftermath 3, I wouldn't be surprised if Ben was born there and Rey ended up living there. :-)
@SoloSideCousin
Seriously,don't do this to me.I have this headcanon that Kylo and Rey's firstborn is born on Jakku so if Kylo's born there I would be like ''Yes,omg Rey's living on Ben'' birth place.''Smile
I took the back cover as a clue that Rey's connected to the Empire but Ben being born there is also a really awesome theory(please let it be true that will certantly help us with the spoiler drought).
@CienaRee

Why can't it be both? Twisted Evil
@ISeeAnIsland
That would be even cooler. Twisted Evil

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Re: Aftermath: Life Debt by Chuck Wending

Post by snufkin on Thu 25 Aug - 23:52

If they actually did that detail, then no wonder he freaked over What Girl. Also poor Rey, she really can't avoid this guy no matter how hard she tries. The Force wills it! Wonder if that's when the MF was stolen. Also ouch with Han telling Rey that she's from a junkyard if he's been there before.

Makes you wonder though, between being born after Endor and maybe during Jakku, he's a contrast with Poe, whose parents left the action to focus FT on raising on him. And now Poe's being set up as the probably leader/successor to the movement.
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Re: Aftermath: Life Debt by Chuck Wending

Post by ISeeAnIsland on Sat 27 Aug - 1:45

Ooh! Ooh! Ooh!

I just thought of something! You know how there have been the lines about Snoke targeting Ben from the beginning, etc?

(Pulling from another thread)
"It's more than just having a 'bad seed' as a kid. Snoke had targeted this kid and knew that this kid was going to be incredibly powerful in The Force and wanted him as an ally." -- JJ Abrams

What if Snoke was present or had a conduit present at the battle of Jakku and crossed paths with a very pregnant Princess Leia? (Assuming that Snoke already knew about the family connection to the Force?) Ben could have had a target on his back from before he was ever even born.
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