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Post by panki on Wed 27 Apr - 3:33

In the story of Jarael in comics, she was being brought up in a school originally founded by a sith master and this school was burnt down by slavers linked to Mandalore. Jarael runs off but is found by one of the slavers. She doesn't realise he is a slaver (she thinks he is helping her) and is taken away from that planet and made a slave.

Rey is supposed to be in battle dress when she was left as a child on Jakku (possibly sold to Unkar Plutt or given to settle a debt). Could this be a school uniform?







Now here is the interesting part (if they go with this story). Jarael has regular parents but she also has the DNA of a jedi master. The scientist who added this DNA wanted to create a descendant for Ulic Quel Droma but the robe from which he took DNA samples actually belonged to another jedi master.

So if they bring this story into canon, I am guessing they will make the jedi master whose DNA was used either Obi-wan or Quinlan Vos, since both had Mandalorean connections. (I'll still go with Quinlan based on the powers Rey displays)




And the floating city where Jarael was created might have been changed to Bespin when bringing it into canon (Rey's Survival Guide).



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Post by Sylvia Snow on Wed 27 Apr - 3:51

@panki wrote:In the story of Jarael in comics, she was being brought up in a school originally founded by a sith master and this school was burnt down by slavers linked to Mandalore. Jarael runs off but is found by one of the slavers. She doesn't realise he is a slaver (she thinks he is helping her) and is taken away from that planet and made a slave.

Rey is supposed to be in battle dress when she was left as a child on Jakku (possibly sold to Unkar Plutt or given to settle a debt). Could this be a school uniform?





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Rey's backstory also similar to Jarael. Jakku and the Lower City, Scavenger and Trash Hauler. Jarael's LI was known as Jedi Killer which is also the name for Kylo in some early art concept.
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Re: Rey's Vision

Post by panki on Wed 27 Apr - 3:55

@Sylvia Snow.... I really hope they make Rey's story similar to Jarael....I like the ending where she is reunited with her parents by Zayne...and then she wears a pretty dress and meets him at the end....and they live happily ever after. I wanted something nice like that for Rey and Kylo. Smile

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Post by Sylvia Snow on Wed 27 Apr - 5:14

@panki wrote:@Sylvia Snow.... I really hope they make Rey's story similar to Jarael....I like the ending where she is reunited with her parents by Zayne...and then she wears a pretty dress and meets him at the end....and they live happily ever after. I wanted something nice like that for Rey and Kylo. Smile
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Yes, I do, too. Also Zayne and Jarael really hate each other in the beginning and yet they are deeply in love with each other later on. Kylo and Rey already have this bond together so I'm looking forward to see they fall in love, too.
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Post by Queen Rey on Wed 27 Apr - 8:58

@panki wrote:@Sylvia Snow.... I really hope they make Rey's story similar to Jarael....I like the ending where she is reunited with her parents by Zayne...and then she wears a pretty dress and meets him at the end....and they live happily ever after. I wanted something nice like that for Rey and Kylo. Smile
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I don't know the story of Jarael....but this sounds nice.
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Post by panki on Wed 27 Apr - 10:02

@Queen Rey wrote:
@panki wrote:@Sylvia Snow.... I really hope they make Rey's story similar to Jarael....I like the ending where she is reunited with her parents by Zayne...and then she wears a pretty dress and meets him at the end....and they live happily ever after. I wanted something nice like that for Rey and Kylo. Smile
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I don't know the story of Jarael....but this sounds nice.
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Re: Rey's Vision

Post by panki on Wed 27 Apr - 10:16

This is a little information about Rey's vision and her powers....I initially thought it was just Post-cognizance or Psychometry but it is more than that.....the lightsaber called to her and when she caught it, she was not only seeing and feeling emotions of previous users of the lightsaber...but she was also watching her past, present and future. So two things are happening:

1. Psychometry (things Anakin and Luke experienced)- Visions of the cloud city fight, Luke at the burning temple, Vader's breathing, Palpatine's voice and roar, Yoda's voice etc.

2. Unifying Force (leaving the body to witness one's own past, present and future)- Little Rey on Jakku, fallen warrior with Kylo and KOR, Kylo in Takodana woods etc.

I am not sure if Obi-wan's voice is from Luke's memory or part of the unifying force.....or maybe both?
It also explains why Maz says that the lightsaber called to her...it was the force talking to Rey once she connected to the it via the lightsaber.

Post-congnizance/psychometry

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Re: Rey's Vision

Post by EchoBase on Thu 2 Jun - 17:26

This is from the official Star Wars magazine:



It has never crossed my mind that she could see the hallway of Mustafar in her vision. So, what could this mean, everything is linked to Anakin's fall?
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Re: Rey's Vision

Post by SoloSideCousin on Thu 2 Jun - 17:53

@EchoBase wrote:This is from the official Star Wars magazine:



It has never crossed my mind that she could see the hallway of Mustafar in her vision. So, what could this mean, everything is linked to Anakin's fall?
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It may not exactly be Anakin's fall.  It may be Anakin's fall being used as an analogy for Ben's fall.  The Mustafar Hallway is when Anakin falls ... but actually the ESB hallway is when he begins to rise because he, though still selfish, for the first time has turned enough from the emperor to ask his son to join him.  Also by acknowledging him as his son, he is starting to acknowledge Anakin Skywalker, which he hadn't done for 20 years.

And then with Ben, she sees evidence of Ben's fall with the burning temple and Luke with his hand on R2 ... but then does she see the beginning of his rise if the Forceback when he saves someone?
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Re: Rey's Vision

Post by Darth Dementor on Thu 2 Jun - 22:31

@SoloSideCousin Hmmm Intresting how the the first two segments of the vision are Luke's and Ben's fall from grace and first taste of the dark side? In fact their two of Lukes. First by finding out his father was Darth Vader and getting defeated in battle against him. Ben's fall due to the Jedi Academy massacre (which is Luke's second and biggest downfall, too).

There are so many avenues the force vision can take. Hopefully Episode VIII will give more clues to narrow down what it's trying to tell us?

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Re: Rey's Vision

Post by SoloSideCousin on Fri 3 Jun - 7:40

@Darth Dementor wrote:@SoloSideCousin Hmmm Intresting how the the first two segments of the vision are Luke's and Ben's fall from grace and first taste of the dark side? In fact their two of Lukes. First by finding out his father was Darth Vader and getting defeated in battle against him. Ben's fall due to the Jedi Academy massacre (which is Luke's second and biggest downfall, too).

There are so many avenues the force vision can take. Hopefully Episode VIII will give more clues to narrow down what it's trying to tell us?
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OMG! You are so right! There are so many possible layers to that thing ... and you know what, I had another thought. What if the forceback almost "continues" in some dream of Rey's in Episode VIII ... some of the details might change because "the future is in motion" but also she might get additional pieces. We had Vader's brushes with darkness. Luke's. Who comes next? Kylo. The first bit might be the cut vision of Snoke and "a boy" ... which frankly has the potential to be the truly darkest moment of all.
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Re: Rey's Vision

Post by Darth Rowan on Thu 25 Aug - 1:15

There is a great conversation about this in the Tweets Discussion thread that got me thinking more about the vision and how it connects to the dynamic between Rey and Kylo.

I think that what Rey sees in the vision pertains to herself and to Kylo Ren; their individual pasts and their future, which is intertwined. We saw that moment in the interrogation room between them, and the novelization describes "an energy they recognize in each other." In the Force-back we hear Yoda's voice saying "Its energy surrounds us...and binds us."

For all its faults, to me there is a remarkable consistency in one aspect of TFA: all of these scenes are telling us the same thing:
-Rey sees Kylo Ren in her vision of her future (Not Finn. Not Finn, and that to me has unfavorable implications for his chances both as love interest and Force user/Jedi)
-Yoda tells her (through her vision) that the Force's "energy surrounds and binds us."
-Rey is told "the belonging you seek is ahead", and immediately after that she meets Kylo Ren.
-Rey and Ren have an intense exchange in the Force, seeing deeply into each other, and that unlocks her ability to consciously manipulate the Force.
-Kylo Ren tells Rey "it's just us now." US. There is a 'you' and there is a 'me', occasionally there is a 'we', but when you say US, imo it is a big deal (especially if you're Kylo Ren!) because it implies belonging.
-Kylo Ren offers to teach Rey: even more explicit offer of belonging/"join me" but it wasn't the right moment so she wrecks him.

And that's without even going into Kylo Ren's behavior towards her, with the unmasking, the possibility that he also saw her in visions prior to meeting her in person, etc. I think with all of this they are trying to tell us that these two are now connected, they are bound to each other now - they are fated to be "together". And if you're not family, and if you're in an epic space opera in need of a romance, "together" can only mean one thing. H-beating

Of course I am looking at these facts through my Reylo goggles. But even without the Reylo lens it's obvious that these two will mean something important to each other, whatever it is, because that's what TFA took pains to let us know.

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Re: Rey's Vision

Post by vaderito on Thu 25 Aug - 1:38

@Darth Rowan

Rey sees Kylo Ren in her vision of her future (Not Finn. Not Finn, and that to me has unfavorable implications for his chances both as love interest and Force user/Jedi)


All of this. If Finn had been a big player in the Force plot, the Force would have shown him to Rey. As it is, he's nowhere to be found even in SKB vision. So this is what we have:


Saber calls to Rey
Rey immediately follows the voice
Finn turns around to see Rey one last time but the door shuts into his face
Rey find the saber, has a vision
The vision is mostly about Kylo
The vision doesn't feature Finn 
On SKB, Finn is out into coma
Kylo tries to call the saber
Rey calls the saber
Rey goes to Ahcho, the place where the Jedi began
Kylo comes after her in VIII


These are crucial moments involving the Force and Finn is totally absent from them. Cause that's not his destiny. His destiny are the Resistance and KMT.

Kylo Ren tells Rey "it's just us now." US. There is a 'you' and there is a 'me', occasionally there is a 'we', but when you say US, imo it is a big deal (especially if you're Kylo Ren!) because it implies belonging. 


BINGO!  cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers Oh, and when Yoda says "surrounds us and binds us" we see how binding works when Rey and Kylo read each other's minds and than were in Force lock on the cliff.
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Re: Rey's Vision

Post by SoloSideCousin on Thu 25 Aug - 3:47

@vaderito wrote:@Darth Rowan

Rey sees Kylo Ren in her vision of her future (Not Finn. Not Finn, and that to me has unfavorable implications for his chances both as love interest and Force user/Jedi)


All of this. If Finn had been a big player in the Force plot, the Force would have shown him to Rey. As it is, he's nowhere to be found even in SKB vision. So this is what we have:


Saber calls to Rey
Rey immediately follows the voice
Finn turns around to see Rey one last time but the door shuts into his face
Rey find the saber, has a vision
The vision is mostly about Kylo
The vision doesn't feature Finn 
On SKB, Finn is out into coma
Kylo tries to call the saber
Rey calls the saber
Rey goes to Ahcho, the place where the Jedi began
Kylo comes after her in VIII


These are crucial moments involving the Force and Finn is totally absent from them. Cause that's not his destiny. His destiny are the Resistance and KMT.

Kylo Ren tells Rey "it's just us now." US. There is a 'you' and there is a 'me', occasionally there is a 'we', but when you say US, imo it is a big deal (especially if you're Kylo Ren!) because it implies belonging. 


BINGO!  cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers Oh, and when Yoda says "surrounds us and binds us" we see how binding works when Rey and Kylo read each other's minds and than were in Force lock on the cliff.
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Just a little bit to add to this conversation, @vaderito and @Darth Rowan, I actually watched the TFA all the way through for the first time in several months the other day, and we had to pause it to put the dog out, and we paused at the point where Finn was telling Rey that he was a stormtrooper ... It was interesting to see what the chapter was called ... Discussion of Destinies... plural :-) Just another little hint of different paths. :-)

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Re: Rey's Vision

Post by snufkin on Thu 25 Aug - 4:07

Excellent point, if Finn were meant to continue being a player in her character arc, he would've shown up in the vision. He triggers it by deciding to get the Hell out of Dodge so that she feels abandoned, but otherwise he's not in her vision at all. Versus somebody else, where it seems to be the Force with a big flashing billboard about how "this is somebody you need to look out for." Funny thing, when I saw TFA for the first time, the vision in Maz's creepy break room is where I was like "huh, so she's being set up as having a separate path doing the Force thing and facing the Darkside." It seemed pretty clear that was the point where she and Finn's paths in the trilogy were going to diverge, into the separate Destinies mentioned above. Definitely clear with her talking to him in the ICU before leaving - both that he's her friend and that when she'll see him again is likely but unknown (would bet on them being apart in VIII and not reuniting again until both have gone through significant growth/change).
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Post by vaderito on Thu 25 Aug - 11:08

@SoloSideCousin Wow. That's what we've been saying all the time. They have different destinies, won't be joined at the hip. And than film-makers actually title the scene Discussion of Destinies. Just like we've been saying that Rey and Finn are as just friends without romantic set up and, later, JB confirms that in the Variety interview. But I guess Destinies is misdirection and lying too? Yeah, when you think about it, is there a single prediction antis made that was actually confirmed? Nope, they had to call lies and misdirection every time something new from most reliable sources/people popped up.

@snufkin Agreed. Also, Rey and Finn arc is resolved in TFA. There's no unfinished business. They saved each other's lives and came back for each other and that's it. You can't go anywhere from there but send them on separate journeys.
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Post by Gemini on Thu 25 Aug - 11:42

Edit and moved to kenobi files


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Post by Gemini on Thu 25 Aug - 12:07

It was posted on my birthday as well! Looolz
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Post by Darth Dingbat on Thu 25 Aug - 12:18

Hmmm, I'm not sure what you mean, @Gemini - Obi-Wan died on the Death Star, and that magazine talks about Mustafar.

I don't really see much of a resemblance to the Mustafar hallway either; it looks like the Cloud City hallway to me. Perhaps with slight differences. (Found the comparison photos on Google.)



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Post by Gemini on Thu 25 Aug - 12:20

@Darth Dingbat wrote:Hmmm, I'm not sure what you mean, @Gemini - Obi-Wan died on the Death Star, and that magazine talks about Mustafar.

I don't really see much of a resemblance to the Mustafar hallway either; it looks like the Cloud City hallway to me. Perhaps with slight differences. (Found the comparison photos on Google.)



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Got it muddled! Mustafar not where he died.

The article says it resembles 2 hallways, first one we see, (first thing we see)is where obi wan met anakin in a duel on mustafar, official Star Wars is saying this so I'm going with what they say.

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Post by Jakku on Thu 25 Aug - 13:09

If the Jarael storyline has any relevance, it would explain why her parents are not that big a deal - they were essentially incubators for the genetic inheritance of someone else. It's the someone else who would be important in the SW world.

My imagination runs away with me, but it does leave me wondering exactly how Luke was 'raising a new generation of Jedi'. Had he attempted to engineer them in some way? Was that what made Kylo explode? Was Rey kidnapped by slavers and eventually sold on?

It makes me rethink "Han Solo can't save you now". Save her from whom? We assumed he meant himself, but perhaps he meant...Luke?
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Post by spacebaby45678 on Thu 25 Aug - 13:55

@Gemini wrote:
@Darth Dingbat wrote:Hmmm, I'm not sure what you mean, @Gemini - Obi-Wan died on the Death Star, and that magazine talks about Mustafar.

I don't really see much of a resemblance to the Mustafar hallway either; it looks like the Cloud City hallway to me. Perhaps with slight differences. (Found the comparison photos on Google.)



@Darth Dingbat

Got it muddled! Mustafar not where he died.

The article says it resembles 2 hallways, first one we see, (first thing we see)is where obi wan met anakin in a duel on mustafar, official Star Wars is saying this so I'm going with what they say.

Excellent day!
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Obviously a vision/preparation for what is to happen on Snowkiller base, since Reylo's fight mirrors Obikin

Fire & Ice !

Obi Wan is calling her with urgency, maybe he knows the future and what is to come for her so he prepares her by what she sees in the vision

Part of the hero's journey is supernatural help.


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Post by SoloSideCousin on Thu 25 Aug - 15:15

@Jakku wrote:If the Jarael storyline has any relevance, it would explain why her parents are not that big a deal - they were essentially incubators for the genetic inheritance of someone else. It's the someone else who would be important in the SW world.

My imagination runs away with me, but it does leave me wondering exactly how Luke was 'raising a new generation of Jedi'. Had he attempted to engineer them in some way? Was that what made Kylo explode? Was Rey kidnapped by slavers and eventually sold on?

It makes me rethink "Han Solo can't save you now". Save her from whom? We assumed he meant himself, but perhaps he meant...Luke?
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Oooohhh this is a very interesting perspective. If Luke engineered people, that would be uber-bad ... but given how the Jedi thought it was okay to use clones, not impossible. That would be really, really unexpected of Luke though ... but at the same time, if he does receive some kind of "dark side exposure" (like some Silkwood experience with a dark side relic) and becomes insane to the point where he is not really responsible for his actions, then they could do all kinds of things with him.

I also think that they did go the genetic engineering route that the chance that it would come from the dark side would be very high. Jakku had an imperial experimentation facility and there were stormtroopers left there who went crazy. Also, I don't know if you have read Life Debt, but there are other things on Jakku, ancient, buried things, that could possibly be useful in some kind of genetic engineering as well. Maybe Snoke was trying to create some Superpeople? Like Life Debt says, "the empire needs children."
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Post by Darth Dementor on Thu 25 Aug - 18:04

@snufkin wrote:Excellent point, if Finn were meant to continue being a player in her character arc, he would've shown up in the vision. He triggers it by deciding to get the Hell out of Dodge so that she feels abandoned, but otherwise he's not in her vision at all. Versus somebody else, where it seems to be the Force with a big flashing billboard about how "this is somebody you need to look out for." Funny thing, when I saw TFA for the first time, the vision in Maz's creepy break room is where I was like "huh, so she's being set up as having a separate path doing the Force thing and facing the Darkside." It seemed pretty clear that was the point where she and Finn's paths in the trilogy were going to diverge, into the separate Destinies mentioned above. Definitely clear with her talking to him in the ICU before leaving - both that he's her friend and that when she'll see him again is likely but unknown (would bet on them being apart in VIII and not reuniting again until both have gone through significant growth/change).
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Precisely. How anyone can interpret the line "we shall se each other again, MY FRIEND" as anything other than they will spend significant time apart is beyond me?

If a Rey & Finn romance was in the cards there would have been more clear, concise signs leaving no doubt they were meant to be together. Most epic romances don't start with the pair meeting then separating for an entire movie, growing into different people along the way, then meet again like nothings happened. At the very least Finn would had been concious and one, if not both, would have declared they're love for the other.

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