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Post by SoloSideCousin on Tue 13 Jun - 1:32

The Skywalker Special is a huge problem in this "leak" IMO . I actually don't see it as an impediment to Reylo in that Kylo already seems so guilt-ridden and self-loathing in "the dark that I think once he starts to go lighter that he will be able to get over quite a lot, especially when it comes to Rey. Almost like he would say, "You cut off my hand. I killed my Dad. I know how it is when you fall dark."

What is more crucial in the the Skywalker Special here is that it makes Rey seem really out of control with her force. No one cuts off a hand in a good mindset in SW. The hand loser always looks like the victim. Even Vader. Suddenly he was this wheezing old man on the floor when a minute before he wanted to turn Leia to the dark side.

If Rey cuts off Kylo's hand after she mars his face, he is going to start looking "victimish" to more people, especially if she's all Darth Maul again *and* especially if he never goes for the kill against her at any point in TLJ. This will lead to her heroine status to become more shaky. She will become more like Anakin.

In a lot of ways this would solidfy her as being a true "grey" peer to Kylo Ren, and something like that would have the potential to be pretty freaking awesome if handled the right way ... but do they have the guts to make her a hand cutter? A cutter of a real hand, not Luke's much more palatable "cut only repairable wires" cutting.

I'm not sure that they have those guts. I mean Rey was in red at SWC. Daisy ran to Rian as soon as she read the script. I think she is going to have some serious challenges with the darkness and I think that Kylo will look very different on the other side of TLJ, but hand-cutting is *so* visceral in this universe ... I just think that they would show her dark struggle in another, less maiming way.
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Post by snufkin on Tue 13 Jun - 2:53

It's like the "No! Luke Killed Your Parents!!!" type of 'spoiler,' you might as well just drop an anvil on the characters. It's that heavy handed and obvious because people think that everything has to be matchy matchy thanks to TFA's riff on the original movie and GL mining the OT for the PT b/c of Ring Theory. She already scarred him in the first movie, what's the point of cutting off his hand?
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Post by ZioRen on Tue 13 Jun - 3:23

This reminds me of my old concept art based fear that Kylo's story would be losing more of his natural flesh every movie and ultimately ending up as a Vader-like half man dark sider. Be careful what you wish for and such.

I mean, if "good" Rey was the cause of all of Kylo's injuries in that scenario and ultimately drove him to the deepest dark in the process, that would certainly be an interesting dynamic in some other, more cynical movie. But not in Star Wars. Bleak ending only worked for the Prequels because we already knew the real end to that story.

But speaking in more realistic terms, I also doubt that they'll have Rey maim Kylo further. He killed his dad and hurt Finn, she sliced his face to serve as a permanent reminder. What could justify her doing something much worse later? Even if they plan on her showing a darker side or Kylo does something really bad, it seems redundant and unnecessary to do it that way.
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Post by MeadowofAshes on Thu 15 Jun - 4:58

Saw this circulating on tumblr.
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Post by ZioRen on Thu 15 Jun - 5:25

We posted that one a while back! Jason Ward from MSW said it was bullcrap based on what he knows. Not that he seems to know anything interesting this time around so don't know how much I trust his word. Rolling Eyes
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Post by MeadowofAshes on Thu 15 Jun - 5:27

Sorry, must have missed it!
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Post by vaderito on Thu 15 Jun - 9:39

That "leak" from French translator is BS. He's doing the same thing as "Sloth Anakin" - trying to fill in the gaps between MSW spoilers. Hence "don't have Act 2 script yet". Cause that part is in total radio silence at least when it comes to Rey/Kylo/Luke. So he couldn't write his fic around anything. he tried to incorporate Hut Slaying but in the wrong context. Total BS.
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Post by Kylo Men on Thu 15 Jun - 22:29

Has the French translator spoiler been debunked?

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Post by IoJovi on Thu 15 Jun - 22:33

@Kylo Men wrote:Has the French translator spoiler been debunked?
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Pretty much in my mind, yeah. They haven't been giving any SOLID info and what they have given is based around stuff that is already out there. I'll give the writer credit that they know how to pass themselves off as sounding credible (and yes, they do speak French), but there were a few inconsistencies that just didn't jive.

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Post by IoJovi on Thu 15 Jun - 22:36

And i guess in our self attention seeking world anything is plausible, but the ones that start out with "I'm a former LF employee and I want my message to be heard around the world" sounds a bit disingenuous. I think we've seen dozens that start out with this same premise and they're all different. Laughing

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Post by Helix on Thu 15 Jun - 22:43

@IoJovi wrote:And i guess in our self attention seeking world anything is plausible, but the ones that start out with "I'm a former LF employee and I want my message to be heard around the world" sounds a bit disingenuous. I think we've seen dozens that start out with this same premise and they're all different. Laughing
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IE none of them have ever been associated with LF in any way, except maybe fixing the A/C there. Laughing Those types can be filed away with the 'My Uncle works for Disney/Nintendo/LF'.
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Post by IoJovi on Thu 15 Jun - 23:20

@Helix wrote:
@IoJovi wrote:And i guess in our self attention seeking world anything is plausible, but the ones that start out with "I'm a former LF employee and I want my message to be heard around the world" sounds a bit disingenuous. I think we've seen dozens that start out with this same premise and they're all different. Laughing
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IE none of them have ever been associated with LF in any way, except maybe fixing the A/C there. Laughing Those types can be filed away with the 'My Uncle works for Disney/Nintendo/LF'.
@Helix

That's just it. If someone actually DID work for Lucasfilm in a high enough level of capacity where they knew the script in that level of detail, why in the world would you take to the Internet with it? Even if it doesn't seem like you'd get caught and it'd be untraceable, who would want to take that risk when you could get sued to the point of financial ruin? Disney does not f*** around when it comes to that.

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Post by Helix on Thu 15 Jun - 23:24

@IoJovi wrote:
@Helix wrote:
@IoJovi wrote:And i guess in our self attention seeking world anything is plausible, but the ones that start out with "I'm a former LF employee and I want my message to be heard around the world" sounds a bit disingenuous. I think we've seen dozens that start out with this same premise and they're all different. Laughing
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IE none of them have ever been associated with LF in any way, except maybe fixing the A/C there. Laughing Those types can be filed away with the 'My Uncle works for Disney/Nintendo/LF'.
@Helix

That's just it. If someone actually DID work for Lucasfilm in a high enough level of capacity where they knew the script in that level of detail, why in the world would you take to the Internet with it? Even if it doesn't seem like you'd get caught and it'd be untraceable, who would want to take that risk when you could get sued to the point of financial ruin? Disney does not f*** around when it comes to that.
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Exactly. That's why they're almost guaranteed to be fakers.

The ghost of Walt Disney will come to your house and beat you down for that.
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Post by vaderito on Fri 16 Jun - 5:40

@Helix wrote:  

IE none of them have ever been associated with LF in any way, except maybe fixing the A/C there. Laughing Those types can be filed away with the 'My Uncle works for Disney/Nintendo/LF'.
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lol!  lol!  lol!

You should troll 4chan with a "leak":

"I was fixing the AC at Pinewood while they were filming the last scene in the movie. It goes like this...."
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Fri 16 Jun - 5:42

@vaderito wrote:
@Helix wrote:  

IE none of them have ever been associated with LF in any way, except maybe fixing the A/C there. Laughing Those types can be filed away with the 'My Uncle works for Disney/Nintendo/LF'.
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lol!  lol!  lol!

You should troll 4chan with a "leak":

"I was fixing the AC at Pinewood while they were filming the last scene in the movie. It goes like this...."
@vaderito

That brings up memories of that early TLJ leak from the "member of the catering crew". (If I recall, she was the one who said that the ending was essentially the same as the pivotal scene from Looper.)

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Post by vaderito on Fri 16 Jun - 5:45

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:

That brings up memories of that early TLJ leak from the "member of the catering crew". (If I recall, she was the one who said that the ending was essentially the same as the pivotal scene from Looper.)
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Yep, that was hilarious. It's funny when fakers think other fans haven't seen movies from which they borrow plot points or new character names (remember Aya, the fake name for Rose that Helmet Faker has given her after the character from Three Outlaw Samurai? lol! )

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Post by Helix on Fri 16 Jun - 9:58

@vaderito wrote:
@Helix wrote:  

IE none of them have ever been associated with LF in any way, except maybe fixing the A/C there. Laughing Those types can be filed away with the 'My Uncle works for Disney/Nintendo/LF'.
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lol!  lol!  lol!

You should troll 4chan with a "leak":

"I was fixing the AC at Pinewood while they were filming the last scene in the movie. It goes like this...."
@vaderito


"I saw the puppets of Sloth Anakin and Yoda hanging out..."
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Post by vaderito on Fri 16 Jun - 10:00

@Helix wrote:

"I saw the puppets of Sloth Anakin and Yoda hanging out..."
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Post by Helix on Mon 26 Jun - 18:26

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Post by MeadowofAshes on Mon 26 Jun - 19:16

Oh FFS. So now Rey, Finn, and Ben are all siblings? Good grief.

It's an entire galaxy, not a one stoplight town in the Midwest. Why does everyone have to be related?
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Post by Helix on Mon 26 Jun - 19:21

@MeadowofAshes wrote:Oh FFS. So now Rey, Finn, and Ben are all siblings? Good grief.

It's an entire galaxy, not a one stoplight town in the Midwest. Why does everyone have to be related?
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The ST is just one big sibling rivalry. I did find it amusing how they had to add Rey being a Solo in.
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Post by Birdwoman on Mon 26 Jun - 19:24

I saw the title of that article in my google news alerts this weekend. I told my husband about it and we started laughing. So, basically Leia gave birth to two more kids. They end up missing somewhere in the universe and all she cares about is Kylo. hahaha! Leia the worst mom ever!! Razz

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Post by Helix on Mon 26 Jun - 19:32

@Birdwoman wrote:I saw the title of that article in my google news alerts this weekend. I told my husband about it and we started laughing. So, basically Leia gave birth to two more kids. They end up missing somewhere in the universe and all she cares about is Kylo. hahaha! Leia the worst mom ever!! Razz
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The true theme of Star Wars is that parents are awful and based on Reywalker excuses, people would be fine with this.
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Post by snufkin on Mon 26 Jun - 19:37

TBF Carrie Fisher did say that Leia was "a bit of a Space Sl*t." Still, having 2 additional kids and like the saying goes, losing Rey may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both Rey and Finn looks like carelessness.


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Post by TheLastJedi on Mon 26 Jun - 19:37

@Birdwoman wrote:I saw the title of that article in my google news alerts this weekend. I told my husband about it and we started laughing. So, basically Leia gave birth to two more kids. They end up missing somewhere in the universe and all she cares about is Kylo. hahaha! Leia the worst mom ever!! Razz
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Not only that, she can feel the death of Han through her son instantly, but her other kids just walk around and she doesn't care all she wants is to have Ben back.
Ben is spoiled.

The only way one of them can be a Skywalker is if Luke had an one night stand with some random woman and then forgot about it, i can't believe there would be a wife, or a child missing and nobody would have mentioned it.
Han and Leia broke up and Luke went into exile because of Ben, but they lost a child and nobody cared.
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