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Post by Man Without A Star on Sat 16 Sep - 10:17

Order of Zero? More like Order of Zeroh level of leak... Very Happy
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Post by SoloSideCousin on Sat 16 Sep - 10:22

@Man Without A Star wrote:Order of Zero? More like Order of Zeroh level of leak... Very Happy
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LOL! Someone said the same thing in the Reddit comments, lol. Mike will have a video out soon talking all about the "Annals of Sodom"  ... i won't even address that bit, lol.
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Post by Helix on Sat 16 Sep - 10:35

@SoloSideCousin wrote:
@Man Without A Star wrote:Order of Zero? More like Order of Zeroh level of leak... Very Happy
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LOL! Someone said the same thing in the Reddit comments, lol. Mike will have a video out soon talking all about the "Annals of Sodom"  ... i won't even address that bit, lol.
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Heh. Heh. I started laughing really hard at that. This dude should really stop trying to sell his original novel as a Star Wars movie.
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Post by Darth Dingbat on Sat 16 Sep - 12:37

@Helix wrote:
@SoloSideCousin wrote:
@Man Without A Star wrote:Order of Zero? More like Order of Zeroh level of leak... Very Happy
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LOL! Someone said the same thing in the Reddit comments, lol. Mike will have a video out soon talking all about the "Annals of Sodom"  ... i won't even address that bit, lol.
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Heh. Heh. I started laughing really hard at that. This dude should really stop trying to sell his original novel as a Star Wars movie.
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*unwittingly starts imagining Annals of Sodom: A Novel by Mike Zeroh*

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Post by FrolickingFizzgig on Sat 16 Sep - 14:00

@Darth Dingbat wrote:
@Helix wrote:
@SoloSideCousin wrote:
@Man Without A Star wrote:Order of Zero? More like Order of Zeroh level of leak... Very Happy
@Man Without A Star

LOL! Someone said the same thing in the Reddit comments, lol. Mike will have a video out soon talking all about the "Annals of Sodom"  ... i won't even address that bit, lol.
@SoloSideCousin

Heh. Heh. I started laughing really hard at that. This dude should really stop trying to sell his original novel as a Star Wars movie.
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*unwittingly starts imagining Annals of Sodom: A Novel by Mike Zeroh*

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WTF, he has to be trolling. That title. I can't. Just take away and add a few letters to "annals of sodom." Rolling Eyes
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Post by Cowgirlsamurai on Sat 16 Sep - 14:11

More from yesterday's crack (may be fake, but it's interesting):

Hux and Luke survive.
Leia doesn't.
Snoke is not the leader of the First Order. Someone "we thought we knew" is.
KoR are Luke's old students are shown briefly.
We hear Force ghost voices of ObiWan, Anakin, and Yoda.
Luke and Leia don't reunite.
Rey does not turn to the dark side. Luke tries to teach her moderation when it comes to the dark side.
"Tough to say" whether Kylo is redeemed.
Rey's father is irrelevant and not Lor San Tekka.


Weird: Rey can't swim and when she's submerged in water it tests her faith in the Force.

Specific: Hux kills three minor characters in this movie with his bare hands.

Memorable: When Luke and Chewie reunite, Cherie isn't thrilled to see Luke.

About DJ:

He's a "Slicer" which is a hacker in Star Wars. He betrays Finn and Rose and downloads Finn's brain to expose the location of the Resistance in Act III


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Post by vaderito on Sat 16 Sep - 14:27

@Birdwoman wrote:Yes, on that 4 Chan post.
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It's the same guy. he posted on 4chan first and then on Reddit. Fake.
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Post by Kylo Men on Sat 16 Sep - 17:52

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Right. As much as I enjoy my headcanon of Kylo and Rey teaming up to fight the Praetorians, I'll concede that there could be another explanation for those BTS shots. Like, maybe there's some unfriendly group on Ahch-To who attack the group after Luke blows up the hut or something, although that feels like a bit of a stretch until we know more.

But I seriously doubt that it's training. The only way that makes sense as a training shot is if it takes place before Kylo gets to Ahch-To, and then Rey ends up downloading "how to defeat the Praetorian guards" from Kylo and ends up facing those same guards later.
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Daisy has already said that she takes on 3 people at some point in the film. Unless the Force nuns attack her, I don't see who the three could be other than the Praetorians. That doesn't mean Kylo is definitely fighting them with her. But there are five of them. And there are five between the two training scenes.

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Post by Kylo Men on Sat 16 Sep - 18:13

i'm totally rooting for the 4Chan/Reddit leak. The second Reddit leak would be the worst movie ever.

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Post by snufkin on Sat 16 Sep - 18:29

Anals of Sodom is totally going to be the porn rip off of "a Star Wars story"
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Post by Helix on Sat 16 Sep - 18:38

Anals of Sodom is just my weekends. I deserve part of the pay. I've been duped.
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Post by Kylo Men on Sat 16 Sep - 19:33

"Someone we thought we knew" is the head of the First Order.

I wonder who that could be.

I should stress that I'm not convinced by that rumor. No matter how awesome of an ending a Kylo monologue on freedom with Rey in his arms would be.

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Post by snufkin on Sat 16 Sep - 19:39

If the sekrit head of the FO turns out to be Laura Dern's character, I'm gonna LOL so hard because they basically just made her like Assistant Mayor Bellweather in Zootopia



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Post by Birdwoman on Sat 16 Sep - 19:40

Kylo, giving a grand speech with Rey in his arms....'We will rule the galaxy together!'

First of all, I have never seen anything in TFA that would make me think Kylo wants to rule the galaxy. Did I miss something?

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Post by Irina de France on Sat 16 Sep - 19:43

"Monologue for the ages" I mean, Star Wars is definitely the kind of film that would go for that, and of course, Adam Driver can definitely pull that off (I think his audition piece for Julliard was something from Shakespeare? Can't remember from which play, but I think it was one of the historical ones). However, would it be in-character for Kylo... I don't know. He's more of a snarky one-liner kind of guy like his parents (and yet another reason why Leia isn't really that much of a politician like her mother).

Otherwise... I'm pretty sure the 4Chan/Reddit rumor is fake, but I sure wouldn't complain if it was true. If he had come up with other genius stuff like Finn in the casino (which could 95% happen imo)... I would have perhaps believe it.

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Post by SoloSideCousin on Sat 16 Sep - 20:34

@Irina de France wrote:"Monologue for the ages" I mean, Star Wars is definitely the kind of film that would go for that, and of course, Adam Driver can definitely pull that off (I think his audition piece for Julliard was something from Shakespeare? Can't remember from which play, but I think it was one of the historical ones). However, would it be in-character for Kylo... I don't know. He's more of a snarky one-liner kind of guy like his parents (and yet another reason why Leia isn't really that much of a politician like her mother).

Otherwise... I'm pretty sure the 4Chan/Reddit rumor is fake, but I sure wouldn't complain if it was true. If he had come up with other genius stuff like Finn in the casino (which could 95% happen imo)... I would have perhaps believe it.
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I want to say that he auditioned with a monologue from Richard III.

I actually could see Kylo being capable of a monologue once he is relatively comfortable. It's like how shy people behave. They don't say a lot out in the world, but once they are comfortable and alone with a person or small group they feel safe with or know very well, they can talk their heads off, lol.

Being someone who can be talkative Very Happy , I've seen this a lot. I have had a lot of shy friends and have a shy husband. He's told me that in his opinion that shy people love a talkative friend or partner because in large groups it takes the pressure off them, but once they are in a comfort zone that they have plenty to say just like anyone else. :-)
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Post by Helix on Sat 16 Sep - 20:50

I'm pretty shy and don't say much until I'm comfortable, or really passionate about the topic. Then I don't shut up.
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Post by DarthRen on Sat 16 Sep - 20:54

@Darth_Awakened wrote:The prophecy of @Darth_Awakened: we'll getting these on daily basis from now until December. Brace yourselves. lol!

The fresh one from Reddit: Enjoy!

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/70ffzq/translator_here_to_leak_tlj/?st=j7mxsdyj&sh=fc59c798

Hi guys. Here's the story. Lucasfilm hired an external company to do translation for TLJ, for a pretty obscure language that I will not reveal if not they might know what company is it, since no one at lucasfilm can do it. I was recently laid off from this company, but not before I got a copy of the manuscript from one of my colleagues and photocopied it. I will post this over several parts to maintain interest... please look forward to it >Smile
Important info from TLJ The galaxy exists due to the interaction between the dark side and the light. If they stop interacting, i.e. come to a balance, the galaxy ends and is recreated. The prophecy foretold that Anakin Skywalker would be the one to bring about this balance but it did not come to pass. Some, however, believe that the prophecy could still be fulfilled
The Four Limbs of Anakin Skywalker Snoke is a homunculus grown from Anakin Skywalker’s left hand, and is thus able to channel Anakin’s dark side powers. He has no real consciousness, but wears a ring around the hand from which the rest of his body was generated which allows his thoughts and actions to be controlled by the collective consciousness of The Order of Zero, a shadowy group that gained influence of and named the First Order. No one is aware about this except General Hux, who has direct contact with the Order. The Order never show their faces, and are represented only by holographic projections of stone slabs, resembling gravestones, when they communicate through a secured holonet channel. The Order claims to have an original manuscript of the prophecy that led to the downfall of the Jedi, the Annals of Sodom, and have enacted their plans exactly as it was written in the prophecy. By sacrificing millions of lives in Hosnian Prime, they created a disturbance in the force, an Awakening, one of the first conditions written in the Annals of Sodom, through which they could conduct their plan.
They intend to collect all 4 limbs of Anakin Skywalker and connect them to a machine that emulates his brain from data collected in his salvaged data systems in his suit, effectively bringing Skywalker, the embodiment of the force, to life, in order to create a singularity in the force due to this unnatural event, and seal it within a host - the Key – Kylo Ren, the ultimate balance between the light and the dark, triggering the end of the world, and effectively making Ren a god that will recreate the new one. Thanks to the ring, however, the Order of Zero intend to be able to control the god they have created and rule over the new galaxy. Hux is aware of this, and in one scene, removes his glove in private to show a rotting arm of burnt flesh – Anakin Skywalker’s right Arm fused to him. Having deduced the Order of Zero’s plan, he intends to prevent Ren from becoming a god so he can control the galaxy in its current state.
In the last Jedi, Skywalker’s right leg has been found preserved by a collector on Canto Bight, and is being transported to the first order. Hux has personally been sent to receive the package for a lucrative price from a mysterious dealer. An anonymous contact has informed the resistance about the deal and urges them to intercept and destroy the package. Finn has awakened from his coma and Leia puts him in charge of a team to lead a mission to carry out the operation, and tells him to contact Maz Kanata once he is there. As they are planning the infiltration, Phasma enters with a fleet of star destroyers to destroy the resistance base by aerial bombardment. The resistance evacuates and begins a battle with the first order fleet in the atmosphere, including Finn and crew.
Finn’s transport ship manages to escape the battle with help from Poe, speeding off into hyperspace, but they are noticed. As the resistance begins to scramble towards another direction, a suspicious Phasma orders a message to be sent to all first order outposts to look out for them,
Meanwhile, Rey encounters Luke Skywalker on Ahch-to and attempts to recruit him to join the resistance, but Luke laughs in her face. He tells her that the resistance is fighting a pointless battle. After a long dialogue, Luke tells Rey that she doesn’t know anything, and mirrors Kylo Ren, telling her that she needs a teacher, and that he will show her the ways of the force.
Meanwhile, Kylo Ren is in the star destroyer Supremacy facing Supreme Leader Snoke. Snoke lashes out at him and orders him to recover the ‘girl’. He assigns part of his royal guard to accompany Kylo Ren, undermining his abilities and humiliating him further.
Finn and Rose scenes - Finn and the crew arrive at Canto Bight but the ship is shot down by a rocket and crashes into the ocean. Finn and Rose are the only survivors, and they climb onto a cruise ship, headed for Canto Bight. On board the cruise ship, General Hux is informed that Finn’s crew has been shot down
Finn and Rose have a scene on the deck against the setting Cantonica sun, where Finn argues with Rose, saying he did not sign up for this, and in fact agreed to go on the mission so he could escape the resistance. Rose is angry and lashes out at him. One of the guests, a first order agent, however, recognises Finn from his mugshot, and notifies the first order coalition. Executor Stormtroopers are sent to arrest Finn and Rose.
Finn notices the Stormtroopers approaching and quickly grabs Rose and tries to escape below deck. There is a brief chase scene below deck before Rose is captured. Finn, in that split second, hesitates and he himself is captured, showing that despite what he wants to believe, Finn does care about Rose. They are brought before Hux in his luxury cabin.
Finn tells Hux why the resistance sent him there, hoping that by giving the information, Hux will let him and Rose live. Hux laughs and thanks Finn, but says “So, it seems that Traitors will forever be traitors.” And orders them both executed on the spot.
Suddenly, at that moment, he clutches his right arm and screams in agony. A blue figure briefly appears and there is a flash of light in the room that knocks everyone down except Finn and Rose. Finn and Rose take this opportunity to escape to the lifeboats. They board a lifeboat and speed off towards canto bight at the horizon. Hux, recovering, orders them to be tracked down and killed. First Order speedboats are deployed and chase Finn and Rose on the lifeboat.
As the speedboats close in on Finn and Rose, three spaceships descend and shoot down two of the speedboats. Agents on the cruise ship fire at the spaceships disabling their guns. Then, A nameless man, played by an Asian actor and wearing a scarf and black armour, (I heard he is played by K-pop star, that’s what my colleagues told me) jumps down from the middle ship wielding a long, curved sword glowing with electricity, slices the arm off the pilots of the last two speedboats, jumping from boat to boat, causing them to lose control. He then jumps onto the lifeboat. He attaches a line to the lifeboat which causes it to be hoisted into the air and carried off by the spaceship towards canto bight. Finn and Rose and the man presumably climb up the line onto the spaceship.
Hux is informed that they have escaped, and contacts agents in canto bight to track them down and kill them.
Maz Kanata talks to Finn and Rose. She had come to help after an agent on the cruise ship told her of the trouble. She says the man who had helped them before knows where the package is but will only help them if they free his mentor, DJ, from a maximum security prison.
There is a sequence of events where they need to contact another of DJ’s friends, a hacker, at a café, and are chased through the city by first order agents, while the Asian man waits near the prison . They are riding on a horse while the agents chase them on speeders, but they win and reach the hacker, who agrees to help them disable the first layer or security systems. After that has been done, the group breaks into the prison and frees DJ after a few action sequences. Then the Asian man tells them that the package is a secret area in the Casino, and that Hux is meeting the contact there to collect it.
Meanwhile, on ahch to, Luke explains that the galaxy cannot exist without conflict. While the Order of Zero wants peace, and thus dominion, Luke wants conflict such that all may live, but at the same time he wanted as few to suffer as possible. He turned his academy into a battle royale, turning his apprentices to the dark side then fighting them as a master of the light. The plan was for each to fight him until one managed to defeat him. Then, once one succeeded, he was to raise a new order and do the same. He aimed to keep the influence of the force within his order, to stir the conflict of the force within his order, serving as a cosmic generator of conflict and interaction between the light and the darkness of sorts that kept the galaxy alive. This too was based upon the prophecy. But Luke did not anticipate the rise of the Order of Zero and his plan thus failed. They propped up the First Order into a formidable force and seduced Luke’s most promising apprentice to run away to them, fearing for his life.
Luke: “Without the darkness we would but know the light. Without the light we would but know the darkness. Without a battle we would but know neither. Life is driven by eternal struggle. Were we not to fight and suffer our living would but be pointless, our living would be for nothing, and so our living shall be consumed. So it is written.”
Next time: a continuation of the canto bight plot, details on ahch to and luke's first word to rey, and find out what happened to the resistance after the battle on dqar! Stay tuned!
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Post by Irina de France on Sat 16 Sep - 20:57

@SoloSideCousin wrote:
@Irina de France wrote:"Monologue for the ages" I mean, Star Wars is definitely the kind of film that would go for that, and of course, Adam Driver can definitely pull that off (I think his audition piece for Julliard was something from Shakespeare? Can't remember from which play, but I think it was one of the historical ones). However, would it be in-character for Kylo... I don't know. He's more of a snarky one-liner kind of guy like his parents (and yet another reason why Leia isn't really that much of a politician like her mother).

Otherwise... I'm pretty sure the 4Chan/Reddit rumor is fake, but I sure wouldn't complain if it was true. If he had come up with other genius stuff like Finn in the casino (which could 95% happen imo)... I would have perhaps believe it.
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I want to say that he auditioned with a monologue from Richard III.

I actually could see Kylo being capable of a monologue once he is relatively comfortable. It's like how shy people behave. They don't say a lot out in the world, but once they are comfortable and alone with a person or small group they feel safe with or know very well, they can talk their heads off, lol.

Being someone who can be talkative Very Happy , I've seen this a lot. I have had a lot of shy friends and have a shy husband. He's told me that in his opinion that shy people love a talkative friend or partner because in large groups it takes the pressure off them, but once they are in a comfort zone that they have plenty to say just like anyone else. :-)
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I admit I'm like that myself, lol. And considering how Kylo is there blabbering about his "Super Evul Plans" during Rey's interrogation scene (seriously, once you notice that, the scene becomes even funnier), I think it's a sign he's more comfortable around her. And then again, they just met...

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Post by Cowgirlsamurai on Sat 16 Sep - 21:06

@SoloSideCousin wrote:
@Irina de France wrote:"Monologue for the ages" I mean, Star Wars is definitely the kind of film that would go for that, and of course, Adam Driver can definitely pull that off (I think his audition piece for Julliard was something from Shakespeare? Can't remember from which play, but I think it was one of the historical ones). However, would it be in-character for Kylo... I don't know. He's more of a snarky one-liner kind of guy like his parents (and yet another reason why Leia isn't really that much of a politician like her mother).

Otherwise... I'm pretty sure the 4Chan/Reddit rumor is fake, but I sure wouldn't complain if it was true. If he had come up with other genius stuff like Finn in the casino (which could 95% happen imo)... I would have perhaps believe it.
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I want to say that he auditioned with a monologue from Richard III.

I actually could see Kylo being capable of a monologue once he is relatively comfortable. It's like how shy people behave. They don't say a lot out in the world, but once they are comfortable and alone with a person or small group they feel safe with or know very well, they can talk their heads off, lol.

Being someone who can be talkative Very Happy , I've seen this a lot. I have had a lot of shy friends and have a shy husband. He's told me that in his opinion that shy people love a talkative friend or partner because in large groups it takes the pressure off them, but once they are in a comfort zone that they have plenty to say just like anyone else. :-)
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That sounds exactly like me and most of the people in my family. I can only speak extensively with a few people IRL.

I thought the monologue thing sounds believable for Kylo. Remember that space poetry he spouts at Mitaka in the novel? LOL
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Post by Helix on Sat 16 Sep - 21:09

More words of wisdom from the Torturer of Mien.
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Sat 16 Sep - 22:00

@snufkin wrote:If the sekrit head of the FO turns out to be Laura Dern's character, I'm gonna LOL so hard because they basically just made her like Assistant Mayor Bellweather in Zootopia



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At least from the impression that the Leia book gives, having Holdo being the Super Secret Leader of the FO would be like having Phoebe Buffay being the Super Secret Leader of the FO.
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Post by Irina de France on Sat 16 Sep - 22:20

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@snufkin wrote:If the sekrit head of the FO turns out to be Laura Dern's character, I'm gonna LOL so hard because they basically just made her like Assistant Mayor Bellweather in Zootopia



@snufkin

At least from the impression that the Leia book gives, having Holdo being the Super Secret Leader of the FO would be like having Phoebe Buffay being the Super Secret Leader of the FO.
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I am curious, though, how Holdo is going to go from Luna Lovegood in Space to someone who cannot be trusted.

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Post by Rei of Sunshine on Sat 16 Sep - 22:28

@Irina de France wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@snufkin wrote:If the sekrit head of the FO turns out to be Laura Dern's character, I'm gonna LOL so hard because they basically just made her like Assistant Mayor Bellweather in Zootopia



@snufkin

At least from the impression that the Leia book gives, having Holdo being the Super Secret Leader of the FO would be like having Phoebe Buffay being the Super Secret Leader of the FO.
@ISeeAnIsland

I am curious, though, how Holdo is going to go from Luna Lovegood in Space to someone who cannot be trusted.
@Irina de France

You people underestimate Phoebe and Luna! With great cookiness comes great responsibility!

Ooh, fun realization: they're both whacky blondes and both named after the moon!
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Re: The "Crack" Spoiler Discussion Thread

Post by ISeeAnIsland on Sat 16 Sep - 22:50

@Irina de France wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@snufkin wrote:If the sekrit head of the FO turns out to be Laura Dern's character, I'm gonna LOL so hard because they basically just made her like Assistant Mayor Bellweather in Zootopia



@snufkin

At least from the impression that the Leia book gives, having Holdo being the Super Secret Leader of the FO would be like having Phoebe Buffay being the Super Secret Leader of the FO.
@ISeeAnIsland

I am curious, though, how Holdo is going to go from Luna Lovegood in Space to someone who cannot be trusted.
@Irina de France

That's something I'm really wondering about. Because even though I'm only ~halfway through Leia, I've seen no signs whatsoever of Holdo growing into someone who can't be trusted. I'm trying to remember where that description came from because it seems "off" from what we know so far. Like I'm wondering if someone got a tidbit about DJ confused with Holdo.

Now, that said, I can see Holdo having a conflict with Poe as characterized. I can see the cocky pilot and Luna Lovegood definitely not meshing on leadership style.
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