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Who or what opened the door to the chest with the saber

Post by Gemini on Thu 25 Aug - 10:42

This has bugged me since day one, so suspect to me.

I have suspicions but would like to know what others think?
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Post by IoJovi on Thu 25 Aug - 10:44

I'm gonna go with the Force. And btw, nice avatar. albino
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Re: Who or what opened the door to the chest with the saber

Post by spacebaby45678 on Thu 25 Aug - 10:52

The Force Ghost of Obi Wan Kenobi

1. We know that in Canon he is a force ghost
2. subliminal suggestion of a bearded bust of an old man on the floor inside the room
3. Chest, similar to Obi's chest from ANH
4. Obi is the only one that talks to her

My conclusion is that Obi Wan is using Anakins saber as a conduit to communicate with Rey
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Post by vaderito on Thu 25 Aug - 10:59

The Force. Maz even spells it: "it'll guide you".
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Post by Darth Dingbat on Thu 25 Aug - 11:03

The Force, IMO.

It's actually quite surprising that this isn't talked about much, because the Force opening the door underlines what seems to be going on under the surface in the film - the Force is an active participant now, it's directly interfering with events (even to the point of physically opening a door) and steering people towards a specific course.

It's even quite creepy, if you think about it.
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Post by Gemini on Thu 25 Aug - 11:04

It was locked away so someone or something had to unlock it
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Post by spacebaby45678 on Thu 25 Aug - 11:05

"For my ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you. Here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere! Yes, even between the land and the ship."
―Yoda, lecturing Luke on the Force[src]



The force is an energy, force sensitives are a conduit for that energy whether it be for good/jedi or evil/sith.... it does not choose, sentient beings choose how to use it

In other words the force does not act as an independent agent, Plagiues the wise manipulated the force by way of midiclorians to create life and by implication Anakin.
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Post by spacebaby45678 on Thu 25 Aug - 11:10

The cosmic Force was an aspect of the Force that bound everything together from energy fed into it through the Living Force. Yoda, speaking with the spirit of Qui-Gon Jinn, learned that this aspect of the Force enabled them to communicate through the midi-chlorians.[1] After the Galactic Civil War, the cosmic Force became dormant and was seemingly quieted to those who could sense its presence. Turbulence within the cosmic Force coincided with the awakening of latent Force abilities in individuals such as Rey.[2]


"Well, the Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us; it binds the galaxy together." ―Obi-Wan Kenobi


Rey using the force herself could have subconsciously opened it, but that might implicate no force bond between her and Ren, and that she did not get how to fight out of his head she was using her already awakened force powers


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Re: Who or what opened the door to the chest with the saber

Post by Gemini on Thu 25 Aug - 11:10

@Darth Dingbat wrote:The Force, IMO.

It's actually quite surprising that this isn't talked about much, because the Force opening the door underlines what seems to be going on under the surface in the film - the Force is an active participant now, it's directly interfering with events (even to the point of physically opening a door) and steering people towards a specific course.

It's even quite creepy, if you think about it.
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It is creepy, could be like the force trying to balance itself but using ren and rey to do this.
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Re: Who or what opened the door to the chest with the saber

Post by Darth Dingbat on Thu 25 Aug - 11:13

@spacebaby45678 wrote:
The force is an energy, force sensitives are a conduit for that energy whether it be for good/jedi or evil/sith.... it does not choose, sentient beings choose how to use it

In other words the force does not act as an independent agent, Plagiues the wise manipulated the force by way of midiclorians to create life and by implication Anakin.
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But maybe the Force has now "awakened" into some kind of mysterious sentience... for a purpose that we have yet to learn.
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Re: Who or what opened the door to the chest with the saber

Post by Darth Dingbat on Thu 25 Aug - 11:15

I mean, my theory (based on pretty much nothing, as my theories usually are) has been that the Force has "awakened" to protect itself against an ancient evil that has arisen.
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Re: Who or what opened the door to the chest with the saber

Post by spacebaby45678 on Thu 25 Aug - 11:17

Pablo says the that Ren recognized the force awakening in Rey....Or maybe a Force Ghost opened the door
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Post by Darth Dingbat on Thu 25 Aug - 11:21

@spacebaby45678 wrote:Pablo says the that Ren recognized the force awakening in Rey....
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Well, that would still be accurate, if the Force has chosen Rey and Kylo to protect itself Wink

But we'll see.
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Post by Blackcanary on Thu 25 Aug - 11:27

@Darth Dingbat wrote:The Force, IMO.

It's actually quite surprising that this isn't talked about much, because the Force opening the door underlines what seems to be going on under the surface in the film - the Force is an active participant now, it's directly interfering with events (even to the point of physically opening a door) and steering people towards a specific course.

It's even quite creepy, if you think about it.
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I feel like the force has been quite creepy ever since it knocked up poor unsuspecting Shmi... Shocked

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Post by snufkin on Thu 25 Aug - 14:21

It's the Force. Like I've said a million times (though I think @"MrsBenSolo" is the only other person on this board to have read it), they're like the two lead magician characters in Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell. The mysteriously disappeared force of English Magic suddenly returns to England after disappearing into the fairy world for over 300 years as the wild, ungovernable force of nature that it is. There's a quote from one of the characters (Holy Fool type) about them,

"They are the spell John Uskglass is doing. That is all they have ever been. And he is doing it now!"

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Post by creepi0 on Thu 25 Aug - 14:47

Since elevator and talking robot exist in star wars maybe it was automatic door

in OT


in PT
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Re: Who or what opened the door to the chest with the saber

Post by Gemini on Thu 25 Aug - 14:53

@creepi0 wrote:Since elevator and talking robot exist in star wars maybe it was automatic door

in OT


in PT
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Maz says she kept it locked away. The chest wasn't locked. She draws attention to the door being locked which I never realised until today lol
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Post by creepi0 on Thu 25 Aug - 15:10

@Gemini wrote:
@creepi0 wrote:Since elevator and talking robot exist in star wars maybe it was automatic door

in OT


in PT
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Maz says she kept it locked away. The chest wasn't locked. She draws attention to the door being locked which I never realised until today lol
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just rewatch that scene. You're right she said that to Han and also when Rey searching the calling source,  there control panel in the door before it active its red but after it open its turn blue. It seem they intentionally use that color
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Post by Darth_Awakened on Thu 25 Aug - 19:22

I went with Rey herself.
The same logic given the fact that someone recently (was it Pablo?) explained that it was Rey who called the saber.
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Post by Gemini on Thu 25 Aug - 19:30

Rey called the saber? Pablo said that?
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Post by Darth_Awakened on Thu 25 Aug - 19:39

@Gemini wrote:Rey called the saber? Pablo did that?
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I really do not know any more who said it and where. I am really getting lost among all of the infos.
I am sure it was recently (like a month or two). Maybe it was during the panels at celebrations.
It was explained that it is not the saber that called and reacted by itself - that it was Rey and her force sensitivity that did it.
Of course, it was on subconscious level - Rey did not know what she was doing.
The one thing that contradicts that statement are Maz s words: "Now it is calling to you".

That vision is a total mistery box if you ask me.

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Re: Who or what opened the door to the chest with the saber

Post by Gemini on Thu 25 Aug - 19:41

I think Pablo is throwing a lot of truth out as well as misdirects. Goes against dialogue at times?
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Re: Who or what opened the door to the chest with the saber

Post by jakkusun on Fri 26 Aug - 0:48

@Darth_Awakened wrote:
@Gemini wrote:Rey called the saber? Pablo did that?
@Gemini

I really do not know any more who said it and where. I am really getting lost among all of the infos.
I am sure it was recently (like a month or two). Maybe it was during the panels at celebrations.
It was explained that it is not the saber that called and reacted by itself - that it was Rey and her force sensitivity that did it.
Of course, it was on subconscious level - Rey did not know what she was doing.
The one thing that contradicts that statement are Maz s words: "Now it is calling to you".

That vision is a total mistery box if you ask me.

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Idk if this is what you are talking about, but the editor of TFA said that she personally thought that the lightsaber wasn't calling to Rey, but that Rey was attracted to it because she needed a lightsaber. Something like that. She didn't say it like it had to be the canon interpretation though. But you might be talking about something else.
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Post by Gemini on Fri 26 Aug - 8:11

The editor doesn't have much say over the story but it's an interesting concept none the less. Rey did have a blaster though so..that's a weapon lol
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Post by spacebaby45678 on Fri 26 Aug - 8:18

@Gemini wrote:The editor doesn't have much say over the story but it's an interesting concept none the less. Rey did have a blaster though so..that's a weapon lol
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Mary Ann Brandon also admitted she was not a Star Wars Fan before editing TFA, she does not know 2 siths about canon, lore or star wars mythology as relates to the force, jedi or sabers.
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