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Post by Rei of Sunshine on Mon 2 Jan - 18:04

Can someone explain to me how the insurance thing works? Lol.

We've been at this for the whole day but I never really got how that worked. Like does LFL pay the actors and their estate? Or does the insurance company pay them?
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Post by Darth Dingbat on Mon 2 Jan - 18:21

@Rei of Sunshine wrote:Can someone explain to me how the insurance thing works? Lol.

We've been at this for the whole day but I never really got how that worked. Like does LFL pay the actors and their estate? Or does the insurance company pay them?
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The insurance company pays them. Carrie was a human asset to them, and Disney/Lucasfilm took the insurance to protect themselves against losses in case she was unable to fulfill her three-film contract.
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Post by Jakku on Mon 2 Jan - 18:24

The insurance company (Lloyds of London) pay LFL/Disney. This is to cover the costs of reshooting, rewriting, recasting, CGI, loss of profits from delayed release, etc.

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Post by Rei of Sunshine on Mon 2 Jan - 19:09

pheeewwww!

That's a lot of money for one company! Mark better be careful with himself or else the OT3 will surely run Loyds into the ground!
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Post by rey09 on Mon 2 Jan - 19:18

I'm thinking they will let Leia just die. Can't imagine recasting, as everyone has said- too iconic. And also said, CGI is too early, would be cringing. But who knows, that is better than recasting for sure. I think a way for her story to be wrapped up nicely is if Kylo somehow stumbled upon a letter or item or something that showed how much Han and Leia really loved him, how much Leia really loved her family. Something like that would be so heartbreaking.
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Post by Darth Dingbat on Mon 2 Jan - 19:31

@rey09 wrote:I'm thinking they will let Leia just die. Can't imagine recasting, as everyone has said- too iconic. And also said, CGI is too early, would be cringing. But who knows, that is better than recasting for sure. I think a way for her story to be wrapped up nicely is if Kylo somehow stumbled upon a letter or item or something that showed how much Han and Leia really loved him, how much Leia really loved her family. Something like that would be so heartbreaking.
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It would Sad But as holograms are the SW version of letters, that would likely have to be CGI as well...

(I've actually wondered if we might see Kylo reacting to a holo of Han at some point.)

But honestly, who knows. This news about the gigantic insurance pay-out made me realise that Lucasfilm were probably very prepared for any eventuality, and made me wonder if they might actually have usable footage for IX already.
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Post by snufkin on Mon 2 Jan - 19:33

You'd imagine that besides the shock/grief, Mark Hamill has got to be feeling the slightest bit unnerved because it's 2 out of their original 3 who've had a near-fatal incident since the ST started (just that sadly 1 of them survived and the other 1 didn't).

Most likely scenario is that they may have anticipated having to write Leia out of IX with either a cameo at the end or dying in service of the causes she served her whole life. Or just have her be off screen, let's say that she's moved to the Cloud City retirement community that Lando is now in charge of (BDW has MS so that's likely why they didn't bring back his character) . Whatever route, everybody loved both the character and the actress and want to see justice done to her. And there probably there will be more of Leia in the collateral materials like comics and books. Cue one of her crack about GL owning her likeness and needing to write him a check every time she looks in the mirror.

At least she did get to go on Stephen Colbert and Terry Gross's shows here in the States a couple weeks before her death to bust the OT's balls about how there's even a double standard for women in space. And she did it at her peak of working and writing with a renewed public profile. The only comparisons I can think of how somebody's death triggered a huge public mourning in part because of hitting that point in their careers would be people like Steve Jobs, David Bowie, and John Lennon.
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Post by EchoBase on Mon 2 Jan - 19:34

@Darth Dingbat wrote:
@rey09 wrote:I'm thinking they will let Leia just die. Can't imagine recasting, as everyone has said- too iconic. And also said, CGI is too early, would be cringing. But who knows, that is better than recasting for sure. I think a way for her story to be wrapped up nicely is if Kylo somehow stumbled upon a letter or item or something that showed how much Han and Leia really loved him, how much Leia really loved her family. Something like that would be so heartbreaking.
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It would Sad But as holograms are the SW version of letters, that would likely have to be CGI as well...

(I've actually wondered if we might see Kylo reacting to a holo of Han at some point.)

But honestly, who knows. This news about the gigantic insurance pay-out made me realise that Lucasfilm were probably very prepared for any eventuality, and made me wonder if they might actually have usable footage for IX already.
@Darth Dingbat

Imagine Kylo would read this letter (if only they could exist in the Star Wars universe) out loud, Adam would so rock it.
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Mon 2 Jan - 20:23

@EchoBase wrote:
@Darth Dingbat wrote:
@rey09 wrote:I'm thinking they will let Leia just die. Can't imagine recasting, as everyone has said- too iconic. And also said, CGI is too early, would be cringing. But who knows, that is better than recasting for sure. I think a way for her story to be wrapped up nicely is if Kylo somehow stumbled upon a letter or item or something that showed how much Han and Leia really loved him, how much Leia really loved her family. Something like that would be so heartbreaking.
@rey09

It would Sad But as holograms are the SW version of letters, that would likely have to be CGI as well...

(I've actually wondered if we might see Kylo reacting to a holo of Han at some point.)

But honestly, who knows. This news about the gigantic insurance pay-out made me realise that Lucasfilm were probably very prepared for any eventuality, and made me wonder if they might actually have usable footage for IX already.
@Darth Dingbat

Imagine Kylo would read this letter (if only they could exist in the Star Wars universe) out loud, Adam would so rock it.
@EchoBase

My headcanon is that Ben never received that holo message that Leia sent about the Vader reveal, and that somehow he comes into possession of it during the ST and we get to see his reaction to it.
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Post by rey09 on Mon 2 Jan - 20:31

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@EchoBase wrote:
@Darth Dingbat wrote:
@rey09 wrote:I'm thinking they will let Leia just die. Can't imagine recasting, as everyone has said- too iconic. And also said, CGI is too early, would be cringing. But who knows, that is better than recasting for sure. I think a way for her story to be wrapped up nicely is if Kylo somehow stumbled upon a letter or item or something that showed how much Han and Leia really loved him, how much Leia really loved her family. Something like that would be so heartbreaking.
@rey09

It would Sad But as holograms are the SW version of letters, that would likely have to be CGI as well...

(I've actually wondered if we might see Kylo reacting to a holo of Han at some point.)

But honestly, who knows. This news about the gigantic insurance pay-out made me realise that Lucasfilm were probably very prepared for any eventuality, and made me wonder if they might actually have usable footage for IX already.
@Darth Dingbat

Imagine Kylo would read this letter (if only they could exist in the Star Wars universe) out loud, Adam would so rock it.
@EchoBase

My headcanon is that Ben never received that holo message that Leia sent about the Vader reveal, and that somehow he comes into possession of it during the ST and we get to see his reaction to it.
@ISeeAnIsland Ooooo yes!! Did Bloodline actually have the whole speech out? I feel like that's something that has a possibility of actually being filmed last summer
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Mon 2 Jan - 20:42

@rey09 wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@EchoBase wrote:
@Darth Dingbat wrote:
@rey09 wrote:I'm thinking they will let Leia just die. Can't imagine recasting, as everyone has said- too iconic. And also said, CGI is too early, would be cringing. But who knows, that is better than recasting for sure. I think a way for her story to be wrapped up nicely is if Kylo somehow stumbled upon a letter or item or something that showed how much Han and Leia really loved him, how much Leia really loved her family. Something like that would be so heartbreaking.
@rey09

It would Sad But as holograms are the SW version of letters, that would likely have to be CGI as well...

(I've actually wondered if we might see Kylo reacting to a holo of Han at some point.)

But honestly, who knows. This news about the gigantic insurance pay-out made me realise that Lucasfilm were probably very prepared for any eventuality, and made me wonder if they might actually have usable footage for IX already.
@Darth Dingbat

Imagine Kylo would read this letter (if only they could exist in the Star Wars universe) out loud, Adam would so rock it.
@EchoBase

My headcanon is that Ben never received that holo message that Leia sent about the Vader reveal, and that somehow he comes into possession of it during the ST and we get to see his reaction to it.
@ISeeAnIsland Ooooo yes!! Did Bloodline actually have the whole speech out? I feel like that's something that has a possibility of actually being filmed last summer
@rey09

Nope. It just mentioned that Leia sent the message and got no word if Ben/Luke received it. Bloodline mentioned the general gist of Leia explaining herself to Ben, but that's about as detailed as it got.

I seriously think that the holo message is a good candidate for one of the things that Rian requested that Claudia include in Bloodline. The emotional impact would be much greater to see Kylo/Ben viewing it, rather than the audience reading about it in a book.
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Post by Saracene on Mon 2 Jan - 21:10

@Darth Dingbat wrote:By the way, I never really understood the criticisms of Carrie's acting in TFA. She wasn't given much to work with, but for me personally, Leia's "I want him back" was even more moving than Han's death scene.
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I personally did think that whatever emotion there was in Han and Leia's scenes came from Ford and he basically carried them. Carrie was an amazing lady, but I found her acting in TFA only passable.
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Post by snufkin on Mon 2 Jan - 21:32

If they use the recorded message from Bloodline in order to deliver a message/provide closure, there's one character around who's not just friends with Leia but a pretty formidable actress herself

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Post by CienaRee on Mon 2 Jan - 21:47

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@rey09 wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@EchoBase wrote:
@Darth Dingbat wrote:
@rey09 wrote:I'm thinking they will let Leia just die. Can't imagine recasting, as everyone has said- too iconic. And also said, CGI is too early, would be cringing. But who knows, that is better than recasting for sure. I think a way for her story to be wrapped up nicely is if Kylo somehow stumbled upon a letter or item or something that showed how much Han and Leia really loved him, how much Leia really loved her family. Something like that would be so heartbreaking.
@rey09

It would Sad But as holograms are the SW version of letters, that would likely have to be CGI as well...

(I've actually wondered if we might see Kylo reacting to a holo of Han at some point.)

But honestly, who knows. This news about the gigantic insurance pay-out made me realise that Lucasfilm were probably very prepared for any eventuality, and made me wonder if they might actually have usable footage for IX already.
@Darth Dingbat

Imagine Kylo would read this letter (if only they could exist in the Star Wars universe) out loud, Adam would so rock it.
@EchoBase

My headcanon is that Ben never received that holo message that Leia sent about the Vader reveal, and that somehow he comes into possession of it during the ST and we get to see his reaction to it.
@ISeeAnIsland Ooooo yes!! Did Bloodline actually have the whole speech out? I feel like that's something that has a possibility of actually being filmed last summer
@rey09

Nope. It just mentioned that Leia sent the message and got no word if Ben/Luke received it. Bloodline mentioned the general gist of Leia explaining herself to Ben, but that's about as detailed as it got.

I seriously think that the holo message is a good candidate for one of the things that Rian requested that Claudia include in Bloodline. The emotional impact would be much greater to see Kylo/Ben viewing it, rather than the audience reading about it in a book.
@ISeeAnIsland
Now that I think about it it would be kind of bittersweet watching Luke,Kylo and Rey all together on Anch Too because if they do let Leia die in the movies they'll be the only Skywalkers left(yes,I'm including Rey as well for obvious reasons which have ntohing to do with Reywalker,IMO) and there's something really tragic about that.
I really hope Leia's message makes it into the movies it will be so heartbreaking seeing Kylo's reaction to it after everything that's happened.

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Post by Rimfaxe96 on Tue 3 Jan - 0:21

@rey09 wrote:I'm thinking they will let Leia just die. Can't imagine recasting, as everyone has said- too iconic. And also said, CGI is too early, would be cringing. But who knows, that is better than recasting for sure. I think a way for her story to be wrapped up nicely is if Kylo somehow stumbled upon a letter or item or something that showed how much Han and Leia really loved him, how much Leia really loved her family. Something like that would be so heartbreaking.
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I doubt they'll recast. Maybe they'll CGI, but if the rumors of Leia falling into a coma after an attack are true - it'd be easy to cut coma-scenes into death scenes. Sad
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Post by Guest on Tue 3 Jan - 2:46

I don't really have anything to add at this point about what will happen with Leia because it is all speculation and unknowns right now. However, I was going through some old articles I had bookmarked and saw this one which was posted before Carrie was taken ill and her subsequent death. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-episode-viii-can-fix-franchises-daddy-issues-957594 It makes me feel even sadder about what we'll potentially be missing out on.

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