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Post by Birdwoman on Sat 17 Jun - 5:24

My friend and I were talking about this a couple of months ago. Her mom is a nurse and heads the OB department at our local hospital. She said that she would not be surprised if the heart disease was due to her past use of coke plus other factors. I guess she is right to some extent... Sad So sad...

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Post by snufkin on Sat 17 Jun - 6:11

The chain smoking, long-term effect of using cocaine were my first thoughts. Her brother is so preternaturally composed (or just had a lifetime dealing with this, so his statement sounds pretty pragmatic

I would tell you, from my perspective that there’s certainly no news that Carrie did drugs,” Todd Fisher said. He noted that his sister wrote about her drug use frequently, and that many of the drugs she took were prescribed by doctors to try to treat her mental health conditions.

Fisher long battled drug addiction and mental illness. She said she smoked pot at 13, used LSD by 21 and was diagnosed as bipolar at 24. She was treated with electroshock therapy and medication.

“I am not shocked that part of her health was affected by drugs,” Todd Fisher said.

He said his sister’s heart condition was probably worsened by her smoking habit, as well as the medications she took. “If you want to know what killed her, it’s all of it,” he said.

Todd Fisher said it was difficult to blame doctors who treated his sister because they were trying to help her.

“They were doing their best to cure a mental disorder. Can you really blame them?” Todd Fisher said. “Without her drugs, maybe she would have left long ago.”
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Post by SoloSideCousin on Mon 19 Jun - 19:15

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That is just incredibly sad and terrible.  I hate to say it, but I wouldn't be surprised if her return to the SW universe brought up a lot of memories and feelings so toxic that she just couldn't maintain her sobriety.  :-(
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Post by snufkin on Mon 19 Jun - 19:38

It's pretty heartbreaking. And judging from her brother's quote, it's something that didn't surprise him given what both her history and their father's history. If anything, it sounds like he made his peace with what could happen a long time ago and that in some respects, she survived a lot longer than would've been expected under the circumstances.

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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Mon 19 Jun - 19:42

@SoloSideCousin wrote:
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That is just incredibly sad and terrible.  I hate to say it, but I wouldn't be surprised if her return to the SW universe brought up a lot of memories and feelings so toxic that she just couldn't maintain her sobriety.  :-(
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I wonder about that, too. You had the pressure to lose weight...the pressure of being back in the media spotlight...the release of The Princess Diaries, and who knows that that might have dredged up...
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Post by ReyofLightSide on Mon 19 Jun - 21:18

Very sad. I am surprised about the heroin part.
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Post by SheLitAFire on Mon 19 Jun - 22:01

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@SoloSideCousin wrote:
@"ISeetAnIsland"

That is just incredibly sad and terrible.  I hate to say it, but I wouldn't be surprised if her return to the SW universe brought up a lot of memories and feelings so toxic that she just couldn't maintain her sobriety.  :-(
@SoloSideCousin

I wonder about that, too. You had the pressure to lose weight...the pressure of being back in the media spotlight...the release of The Princess Diaries, and who knows that that might have dredged up...

@ISeeAnIsland

Yeah, all of this, definitely. I'm reminded of her interview with Stephen Colbert (her last interview??? It's from mid December) where you can tell by her heavy breathing that she's having some health/heart conditions. And she seemed shocked & dismayed that the reveal about her affair with Harrison Ford was garnering so much attention. I think she said something like "it's too big of a story" (I'm definitely paraphrasing and that might have been a different interview).



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Post by Darth Dingbat on Mon 19 Jun - 22:07

Oh, Carrie Sad

I'm sure the medical professionals know best, but with that combination, I'm surprised it would be sleep apnea that killed her. Heroin and cocaine has been a fatal mix to so many people. Mixing stimulants with depressants is especially bad for the heart, I believe.
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Mon 19 Jun - 22:24

@Darth Dingbat wrote:Oh, Carrie Sad

I'm sure the medical professionals know best, but with that combination, I'm surprised it would be sleep apnea that killed her. Heroin and cocaine has been a fatal mix to so many people. Mixing stimulants with depressants is especially bad for the heart, I believe.
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Depends on what she was on at the time.

I got diagnosed with a mild sleep apnea as part of going through the process to have a minor surgery covered by my health insurance later this summer.

What I was told is that if you have sleep apnea and are on a narcotic (which they expect me to be for a few days post-surgery as a painkiller), sleep apnea has a very small chance of being life-threatening. The deal is that normally, with sleep apnea, when you stop breathing for a moment, your body ends up waking you up and re-starts your breathing. But, when you're in a deeper, narcotic-impacted sleep, you can lose the ability to wake yourself up, and you just simply stop breathing and not restarting.

So, for me, when I have my surgery, I'll have to sleep with a CPAP machine for about a week post-surgery, or however long I'm on painkillers.
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Post by SoloSideCousin on Mon 19 Jun - 23:08

@SheLitAFire wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@SoloSideCousin wrote:
@"ISeetAnIsland"

That is just incredibly sad and terrible.  I hate to say it, but I wouldn't be surprised if her return to the SW universe brought up a lot of memories and feelings so toxic that she just couldn't maintain her sobriety.  :-(
@SoloSideCousin

I wonder about that, too. You had the pressure to lose weight...the pressure of being back in the media spotlight...the release of The Princess Diaries, and who knows that that might have dredged up...
@ISeeAnIsland

Yeah, all of this, definitely. I'm reminded of her interview with Stephen Colbert (her last interview??? It's from mid December) where you can tell by her heavy breathing that she's having some health/heart conditions. And she seemed shocked & dismayed that the reveal about her affair with Harrison Ford was garnering so much attention. I think she said something like "it's too big of a story" (I'm definitely paraphrasing and that might have been a different interview).


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Aw man, I have never watched this interview before. Not only does her breathing seem to not be that great, but she seems to have a lot of anxiety about what she revealed in the book. She's all worried about HF being upset. You can see it. Poor thing.  Even with everything she had been through, there was still something of the little innocent girl in her.  She shouldn've care what he thought, like Stephen Colbert was trying to say.  What a sweet, sensitive soul.  This is heartbreaking to watch.
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Post by SheLitAFire on Tue 20 Jun - 1:22

@SoloSideCousin wrote:
@SheLitAFire wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@SoloSideCousin wrote:
@"ISeetAnIsland"

That is just incredibly sad and terrible.  I hate to say it, but I wouldn't be surprised if her return to the SW universe brought up a lot of memories and feelings so toxic that she just couldn't maintain her sobriety.  :-(
@SoloSideCousin

I wonder about that, too. You had the pressure to lose weight...the pressure of being back in the media spotlight...the release of The Princess Diaries, and who knows that that might have dredged up...
@ISeeAnIsland

Yeah, all of this, definitely. I'm reminded of her interview with Stephen Colbert (her last interview??? It's from mid December) where you can tell by her heavy breathing that she's having some health/heart conditions. And she seemed shocked & dismayed that the reveal about her affair with Harrison Ford was garnering so much attention. I think she said something like "it's too big of a story" (I'm definitely paraphrasing and that might have been a different interview).


@SheLitAFire

Aw man, I have never watched this interview before. Not only does her breathing seem to not be that great, but she seems to have a lot of anxiety about what she revealed in the book. She's all worried about HF being upset. You can see it. Poor thing.  Even with everything she had been through, there was still something of the little innocent girl in her.  She shouldn've care what he thought, like Stephen Colbert was trying to say.  What a sweet, sensitive soul.  This is heartbreaking to watch.
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I believe I read in another interview that she had told HF she was going to put that info in the book and got his permission. I do feel so sad because she's so embarrassed. Poor thing.

ETA: she gave him a heads up and sent him an early copy before it went to publishing, telling him he could add notes/revisions. I don't think he ever did.
http://people.com/movies/what-was-harrison-fords-amazing-reaction-to-carrie-fisher-outing-their-affair-on-star-wars/

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Post by Darth Rowan on Tue 20 Jun - 15:12

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@Darth Dingbat wrote:Oh, Carrie Sad

I'm sure the medical professionals know best, but with that combination, I'm surprised it would be sleep apnea that killed her. Heroin and cocaine has been a fatal mix to so many people. Mixing stimulants with depressants is especially bad for the heart, I believe.
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Depends on what she was on at the time.

I got diagnosed with a mild sleep apnea as part of going through the process to have a minor surgery covered by my health insurance later this summer.  

What I was told is that if you have sleep apnea and are on a narcotic (which they expect me to be for a few days post-surgery as a painkiller), sleep apnea has a very small chance of being life-threatening. The deal is that normally, with sleep apnea, when you stop breathing for a moment, your body ends up waking you up and re-starts your breathing. But, when you're in a deeper, narcotic-impacted sleep, you can lose the ability to wake yourself up, and you just simply stop breathing and not restarting.  

So, for me, when I have my surgery, I'll have to sleep with a CPAP machine for about a week post-surgery, or however long I'm on painkillers.
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The idea of sleep apnea  being a cause of death here is not because of her not being able to breathe, but because of the cardiovascular damage that long term untreated episodes of apnea (pauses in breathing) cause due to added strain on the heart and vessels. If this happens over decades, untreated sleep apnea is associated with strokes, myocardial infarction  ("heart attack") and sudden death due to cardiac causes, which sounds like what happened to Carrie.  

Cocaine can also increase your risk of myocardial infarction. Carrie basically had a lot of risk factors playing out all at once for years. I'm ok with it if she understood the risks and made her decisions, but it would really suck if the sleep apnea was undiagnosed and she didn't know she was putting herself at risk for cardiac death with the continued drug use. People assume overdose is the only way drugs kill you, and when you're young that is usually the most common cause of drug related death, but things change as we get older.

I know a lot of fans are angry that these results are being revealed and discussed in public, but I think it's important to talk about it so people realize the added risks they may be taking and take steps to get help. And of course I didn't know Carrie, but based on her transparency in regards to her battle with drugs and mental illness in the hopes that it would help others, I think she would have wanted for people to know.

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Post by snufkin on Fri 6 Oct - 21:58

The auction house handling her and Debbie's estate sale just posted the catalog of what's up for bid. Obviously lotsa Golden Age of Hollywood and OT items in the lot.
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Fri 6 Oct - 22:14

@snufkin wrote:The auction house handling her and Debbie's estate sale just posted the catalog of what's up for bid. Obviously lotsa Golden Age of Hollywood and OT items in the lot.
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I took a quick browse through there. Lots of interesting Star Wars collectibles and some fan art, too.
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Post by snufkin on Fri 6 Oct - 23:08

@IseeanIsland - after watching Bright Lights, my heart broke a little more thinking about how Debbie tried so hard to collect and preserve historical items from the studio era and never got to see anything come of it.
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Post by IoJovi on Tue 10 Oct - 23:15

Looks like Leia will appear in Episode IX:

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-9-close-leia-story-mark-hamill/

I know KK made a statement in April saying Carrie Fisher wouldn’t appear at all, but either something has changed or this points to a recast.

On another note I can’t believe the journalist of this article is yet another person who missed the fact that Kylo refuses to kill his mother.
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Post by SheLitAFire on Tue 10 Oct - 23:18

@IoJovi wrote:Looks like Leia will appear in Episode IX:

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-9-close-leia-story-mark-hamill/

I know KK made a statement in April saying Carrie Fisher wouldn’t appear at all, but either something has changed or this points to a recast.

On another note I can’t believe the journalist of this article is yet another person who missed the fact that Kylo refuses to kill his mother.
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Or maybe unused footage?

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Post by IoJovi on Tue 10 Oct - 23:20

@SheLitAFire wrote:
@IoJovi wrote:Looks like Leia will appear in Episode IX:

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-9-close-leia-story-mark-hamill/

I know KK made a statement in April saying Carrie Fisher wouldn’t appear at all, but either something has changed or this points to a recast.

On another note I can’t believe the journalist of this article is yet another person who missed the fact that Kylo refuses to kill his mother.
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Or maybe unused footage?
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Unused footage is certainly possible but it’s still hard to imagine them being lucky enough with what they have on hand to mesh in well with the natural flow of the story.

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Post by SanghaRen on Tue 10 Oct - 23:31

I am skeptical. Screenrant is not the most reliable source, I think, and reading the article it sounds more like wishful thinking from Mark’s side. But then with JJ heading IX, who knows. One scene could be enough.
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Post by IoJovi on Tue 10 Oct - 23:41

@SanghaRen wrote:I am skeptical. Screenrant is not the most reliable source, I think, and reading the article it sounds more like wishful thinking from Mark’s side. But then with JJ heading IX, who knows. One scene could be enough.
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Wishful thinking or not though, you’d think Mark would be in the know. I’m still hoping for a recast, but I suppose anything is possible.
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Post by SanghaRen on Tue 10 Oct - 23:51

@IoJovi wrote:
@SanghaRen wrote:I am skeptical. Screenrant is not the most reliable source, I think, and reading the article it sounds more like wishful thinking from Mark’s side. But then with JJ heading IX, who knows. One scene could be enough.
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Wishful thinking or not though, you’d think Mark would be in the know. I’m still hoping for a recast, but I suppose anything is possible.
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Er, I am not so sure. He seems to be surprised in some interviews about quite a few things. His quote just seems to be reassuring for the sake of being reassuring. He’s just saying he’s sure LF will try and find a way to clise her story. Personally that’s what I would say if I don’t know but want to reassure the person I am speaking to. It’s difficult to know with him anyway. But we’ll see if others start picking up on what he said and if there was more said. I am not fond of recasting personally, but then it’ll take what it’ll take to tell the story and I’ll accept the choice if it can indeed close Leia’s story respectfully.
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