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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 6:14 pm

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@Birdwoman wrote:Wasn't there a rumor at one point Rey will be emotionally hurt and go back to Jakku?
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I don't remember if that rumor involved Rey going back to Jakku (I know several of us here have said it'd be hilarious for Finn to have to go back with her at some point Laughing). But Daisy did say Rey would be put through the emotional wringer.
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Daisy flat-out said that she'd be "emotionally injured" in an interview a few months ago. (I think it was the "My dad made a porno" podcast, but it could have been the Mtv podcast that she did roughly around the same time.)

They Rey-is-so-jaded-she-returns-to-Jakku came from a reddit leak that had some other, plausible-sounding stuff (at the time). I haven't re-visited it since the poster/trailer release, though, and I've found that a lot of those early leaks/spoilers (from non-MSW sources) that had some plausible bits have since been de-bunked (or mostly de-bunked) by more recent info.
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Post by Helix on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 6:16 pm

@MeadowofAshes wrote:
@Birdwoman wrote:Wasn't there a rumor at one point Rey will be emotionally hurt and go back to Jakku?
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I don't remember if that rumor involved Rey going back to Jakku (I know several of us here have said it'd be hilarious for Finn to have to go back with her at some point Laughing). But Daisy did say Rey would be put through the emotional wringer.
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It would be a little funny for Finn to have the exact same 'back to Jakku?!?' moment. Laughing
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Post by Guest on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 6:19 pm

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@MeadowofAshes wrote:
@Birdwoman wrote:Wasn't there a rumor at one point Rey will be emotionally hurt and go back to Jakku?
@Birdwoman

I don't remember if that rumor involved Rey going back to Jakku (I know several of us here have said it'd be hilarious for Finn to have to go back with her at some point Laughing). But Daisy did say Rey would be put through the emotional wringer.
@MeadowofAshes

Daisy flat-out said that she'd be "emotionally injured" in an interview a few months ago. (I think it was the "My dad made a porno" podcast, but it could have been the Mtv podcast that she did roughly around the same time.)

They Rey-is-so-jaded-she-returns-to-Jakku came from a reddit leak that had some other, plausible-sounding stuff (at the time). I haven't re-visited it since the poster/trailer release, though, and I've found that a lot of those early leaks/spoilers (from non-MSW sources) that had some plausible bits have since been de-bunked (or mostly de-bunked) by more recent info.
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It makes sense to me that she would return to Jakku eventually and it will most likely be in IX. Not only would it echo Luke in the fact that both protagonists left their home during the last days of their boy/girlhood, had an adventure that made them face some hard truths and change and grow emotionally before returning home as an adult, but Jakku most likely holds a key to finding out what happened to Rey's parents, so that is where she will look first.

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Post by MeadowofAshes on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 6:24 pm

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@MeadowofAshes wrote:
@Birdwoman wrote:Wasn't there a rumor at one point Rey will be emotionally hurt and go back to Jakku?
@Birdwoman

I don't remember if that rumor involved Rey going back to Jakku (I know several of us here have said it'd be hilarious for Finn to have to go back with her at some point Laughing). But Daisy did say Rey would be put through the emotional wringer.
@MeadowofAshes

Daisy flat-out said that she'd be "emotionally injured" in an interview a few months ago. (I think it was the "My dad made a porno" podcast, but it could have been the Mtv podcast that she did roughly around the same time.)

They Rey-is-so-jaded-she-returns-to-Jakku came from a reddit leak that had some other, plausible-sounding stuff (at the time). I haven't re-visited it since the poster/trailer release, though, and I've found that a lot of those early leaks/spoilers (from non-MSW sources) that had some plausible bits have since been de-bunked (or mostly de-bunked) by more recent info.
@ISeeAnIsland

Emotional injury doesn't make sense coming from anyone but Ben, to me. She has no strong connection to anyone else in the film and they are the central dynamic. That lends itself to "seeming betrayal" ending.


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Post by FrolickingFizzgig on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 6:27 pm

@Helix wrote:It's about Rey, Kylo, and Luke, but mostly the Kylo/Rey thing. Other pretty reliable leaks tell us that much. Luke already had his time in the lime light, now the story is about Rey coming in and helping him and Kylo see the errors of their ways after whatever happened at Old Uncle Luke's Bible Camp. Clearly both of them messed up and need help getting back on the right path. I think Luke is far from blameless and I think some of this 'crazy, darker' Luke stuff may have emerged before the whole debacle with the Padawans and Ben.
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I've been thinking, as much as I'm sure Luke is going to have a powerful arc of his own in TLJ and IX, it kind of goes without saying that the hyping up of Luke's character that has been going on for over a year now can't not leave a lot of fans disappointed with the actual content of the movie. Mark has had the right mind from the start in saying over and over that it's not his story anymore, but if Lucasfilm/Disney don't play it down SuperheroLastJedi!Luke is going to end up being the Jedi!Finn of TLJ's marketing. I understand why they're doing it. It makes sense from just about every marketing perspective, but it's sure to leave repercussions, possibly big ones.

Every time I talk about SW to a few people from my other online community it becomes apparent that they're are so gung-ho about Luke that they actually forget Rey exists--she's not even the main character in their eyes, she's just that one girl from TFA. Kylo is even more of a side-note. If Rey's name comes up at all it's always about what Rey can do for Luke, how she can impact his adventure in the movie, how he's the Last Jedi who's going to save the day again. It leaves me saying "YIKES" on the inside every single time because nothing about what I know about the movie--which is admittedly a lot more than they know--says Luke is going to be what they want.
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Post by Helix on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 6:39 pm

I think this movie is going to disapppoint at lot of those people in that regard, it's whether the rest of the movie will be able to pull them in and soften the no super-God-Luke blow. Even KK tried to cover it up when MH said it wasn't his story anymore.
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Post by MindAndMagic on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 6:46 pm

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YIKES indeed, I don't wish to pretend we are some "know-it-all" privileged clique, but based on everything we've heard so far, including recent interviews, some people are in for a rude awakening once the film is released (similar to Rey xD). Although not all of them, a great portion of the ReySky fans are first and foremost Luke fans, i.e. he is still seen as the hero and the source of salvation even though everything MH has ever said about his character in the new trilogy paints a completely different picture. Not only has he repeatedly emphasized it's no longer Luke's story, but we also have heavy implications that his character will be far from heroic in TLJ, definitely not someone who will "save the day". This is clear even from the few shots in the trailer and from his expression on the poster. MH has not been surprised by RJ's script for nothing, there is a reason for his initial reaction and it's probably because we're going to see a Luke we've never seen before, darker, bitter, insecure, disillusioned with the Jedi order, perhaps even extremist in his views. It sure sounds like something unexpected, which some fans might find diffucult to absorb at first. As for ignoring Rey's protagonist role or Kylo's importance as the legacy kid, no comment there, the film will just hit them like a ton of bricks.

EDIT: I definitely think Rey's emotional injuries are related to her dissapointment in Luke. She will also likely find it challenging to deal with the fact that Kylo is not the epitome of evil. Any confusing, conflicting feelings that arise as a result will be very difficult for her to accept.


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Post by snufkin on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 6:50 pm

For all of the introspection among this group about keeping expectations realistic, at least that discussion is happening here. Versus Twitter, other parts of the Internet which are setting themselves up for major disappointment in regards to Luke. Granted Disney/LF may end up bungling things on the marketing side. But from a casual pass through various locations, some of these people are not going to have the Christmas reunion with their old favorite that they think they're going to have.

Speaking of Christmas and the discussion here about how some vocal fans being certain that everything that happened at Old Uncle Luke's Bible Camp was entirely his nephew's fault and it'll just take Rey of Sunshine to convince Luke the Galaxy's Coolest Youth Pastor to return to his fold, from a Bill Moyers' discussion with George Lucas (x).

I don’t see “Star Wars” as profoundly religious. I see “Star Wars” as — as taking all of the issues that religion represents and trying to distill them down into a — a more modern and more easily accessible construct that people can grab onto to accept the fact that there is a greater mystery out there. When I was 10 years old, I asked my mother — I said, ‘Well, if there’s only one God, why are there so many religions?’ And over the years — I’ve been pondering that question ever since. And it would seem to me that the conclusion that I’ve come to is that all the religions are true, they just see a different part of the elephant. A religion is basically a — a container for faith. Faith is the — the glue that holds us together as a society. Faith in our — in our culture, our — our world, our — you know, whatever it is that we’re trying to hang on to is a very important part of, I think, allowing us to — to remain stable. Remain balanced.

Also from the background articles, GL was raised Methodist. So you know, child of a Sunday School teacher, I'm fine with seeing Luke being like John Wesley in the years after he crashed and burned badly (it involved a girl who didn't return his interest) here in the Colonies before retreating to England and his wilderness years.
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Post by Saracene on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 6:50 pm

It's understandable that people care about Luke over Rey. He's been around for 40 years and Rey is a brand new character that the audience is not anywhere as attached to. Bringing him into the story is like throwing a weight on the rubber sheet, he becomes the centre of the attention.

Which is why the only way forward is creating compelling relationships between new characters that capture the imagination.
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 7:11 pm

@MeadowofAshes wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@MeadowofAshes wrote:
@Birdwoman wrote:Wasn't there a rumor at one point Rey will be emotionally hurt and go back to Jakku?
@Birdwoman

I don't remember if that rumor involved Rey going back to Jakku (I know several of us here have said it'd be hilarious for Finn to have to go back with her at some point Laughing). But Daisy did say Rey would be put through the emotional wringer.
@MeadowofAshes

Daisy flat-out said that she'd be "emotionally injured" in an interview a few months ago. (I think it was the "My dad made a porno" podcast, but it could have been the Mtv podcast that she did roughly around the same time.)

They Rey-is-so-jaded-she-returns-to-Jakku came from a reddit leak that had some other, plausible-sounding stuff (at the time). I haven't re-visited it since the poster/trailer release, though, and I've found that a lot of those early leaks/spoilers (from non-MSW sources) that had some plausible bits have since been de-bunked (or mostly de-bunked) by more recent info.
@ISeeAnIsland

Emotional injury doesn't make sense coming from anyone but Ben, to me. She has no strong connection to anyone else in the film and they are the central dynamic. That lends itself to "seeming betrayal" ending.
@MeadowofAshes

TBH, that's my gut feeling.

Which would mean that she'd at least have to start developing some trust for him in order to be betrayed.

I mean, I guess it could be something to do with her parents or Luke, but they'd have to build up something about Luke in order for him to hurt her. As far as her parents go, if there's something shocking there, either Luke or Kylo would have to be the ones with knowledge who drop the bombshell, or she'd have to find out from a vision.

Given that it sounds like (at this point) she doesn't really interact with anyone onscreen other than Luke, Kylo, and Chewie, that sort of limits the options there. And in the interview, the interviewer asked the question, "Does Rey get injured?", and she immediately replied, "Emotionally or physically?" and then answered "Yes," without getting more specific. Given that she went straight to the "emotionally injured" thing, I think it's a safe guess that the "yes" would apply to the "emotionally" bit that she specified.
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Post by FrolickingFizzgig on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 7:30 pm

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@MeadowofAshes wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@MeadowofAshes wrote:
@Birdwoman wrote:Wasn't there a rumor at one point Rey will be emotionally hurt and go back to Jakku?
@Birdwoman

I don't remember if that rumor involved Rey going back to Jakku (I know several of us here have said it'd be hilarious for Finn to have to go back with her at some point Laughing). But Daisy did say Rey would be put through the emotional wringer.
@MeadowofAshes

Daisy flat-out said that she'd be "emotionally injured" in an interview a few months ago. (I think it was the "My dad made a porno" podcast, but it could have been the Mtv podcast that she did roughly around the same time.)

They Rey-is-so-jaded-she-returns-to-Jakku came from a reddit leak that had some other, plausible-sounding stuff (at the time). I haven't re-visited it since the poster/trailer release, though, and I've found that a lot of those early leaks/spoilers (from non-MSW sources) that had some plausible bits have since been de-bunked (or mostly de-bunked) by more recent info.
@ISeeAnIsland

Emotional injury doesn't make sense coming from anyone but Ben, to me. She has no strong connection to anyone else in the film and they are the central dynamic. That lends itself to "seeming betrayal" ending.
@MeadowofAshes

TBH, that's my gut feeling.

Which would mean that she'd at least have to start developing some trust for him in order to be betrayed.

I mean, I guess it could be something to do with her parents or Luke, but they'd have to build up something about Luke in order for him to hurt her. As far as her parents go, if there's something shocking there, either Luke or Kylo would have to be the ones with knowledge who drop the bombshell, or she'd have to find out from a vision.

Given that it sounds like (at this point) she doesn't really interact with anyone onscreen other than Luke, Kylo, and Chewie, that sort of limits the options there. And in the interview, the interviewer asked the question, "Does Rey get injured?", and she immediately replied, "Emotionally or physically?" and then answered "Yes," without getting more specific. Given that she went straight to the "emotionally injured" thing, I think it's a safe guess that the "yes" would apply to the "emotionally" bit that she specified.
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You guys could definitely be right, but I do think it's also very probable that Rey will experience some kind of emotional injury from Luke being such a disappointment. Think about it. She has a strong attachment to the idea of him. He's been hyped up by Han and Maz and likely Leia (off-screen), and she's been told that it's up to her to bring him back into the fight. His saber called to her, he's Force Sensitive and very powerful just like she is so there's probably something of a need for explanation in Rey, explanation and advice she thinks only Luke can give. Not only that, but her expectations are going to be huge, and Luke's probably going to crush them in a matter of 45 minutes. Now, I do think that "crushing" is going to have something to do with Kylo and what really happened 7-8 years ago to make Luke go into exile. Her whole world is going to be flipped again when she realizes that Luke might not have been the great light hero and Kylo--the dude she's probably going to be dead-set on villainizing at first--is not all dark evil warlord.
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Post by SoloSideCousin on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 7:31 pm

@Helix wrote:It's about Rey, Kylo, and Luke, but mostly the Kylo/Rey thing. Other pretty reliable leaks tell us that much. Luke already had his time in the lime light, now the story is about Rey coming in and helping him and Kylo see the errors of their ways after whatever happened at Old Uncle Luke's Bible Camp. Clearly both of them messed up and need help getting back on the right path. I think Luke is far from blameless and I think some of this 'crazy, darker' Luke stuff may have emerged before the whole debacle with the Padawans and Ben.
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I completely agree! I definitely think Luke had some problems that pre-date Ben's fall and that some of those problems contributed in a significant way to said fall. If Luke was all great back then, he would have gone after Ben like he did Vader, he would have involved Leia and Han instead of scurrying away. Because frankly, even if Kylo did an Anakin 2.0, it would have been worth trying to retrieve him so he wouldn't cause even more damage as a darksider, and Luke would have been in the best position to do this ... instead it sounds like he just ran away.
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Post by Guest on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 7:36 pm

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@MeadowofAshes wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@MeadowofAshes wrote:
@Birdwoman wrote:Wasn't there a rumor at one point Rey will be emotionally hurt and go back to Jakku?
@Birdwoman

I don't remember if that rumor involved Rey going back to Jakku (I know several of us here have said it'd be hilarious for Finn to have to go back with her at some point Laughing). But Daisy did say Rey would be put through the emotional wringer.
@MeadowofAshes

Daisy flat-out said that she'd be "emotionally injured" in an interview a few months ago. (I think it was the "My dad made a porno" podcast, but it could have been the Mtv podcast that she did roughly around the same time.)

They Rey-is-so-jaded-she-returns-to-Jakku came from a reddit leak that had some other, plausible-sounding stuff (at the time). I haven't re-visited it since the poster/trailer release, though, and I've found that a lot of those early leaks/spoilers (from non-MSW sources) that had some plausible bits have since been de-bunked (or mostly de-bunked) by more recent info.
@ISeeAnIsland

Emotional injury doesn't make sense coming from anyone but Ben, to me. She has no strong connection to anyone else in the film and they are the central dynamic. That lends itself to "seeming betrayal" ending.
@MeadowofAshes

TBH, that's my gut feeling.

Which would mean that she'd at least have to start developing some trust for him in order to be betrayed.

I mean, I guess it could be something to do with her parents or Luke, but they'd have to build up something about Luke in order for him to hurt her. As far as her parents go, if there's something shocking there, either Luke or Kylo would have to be the ones with knowledge who drop the bombshell, or she'd have to find out from a vision.

Given that it sounds like (at this point) she doesn't really interact with anyone onscreen other than Luke, Kylo, and Chewie, that sort of limits the options there. And in the interview, the interviewer asked the question, "Does Rey get injured?", and she immediately replied, "Emotionally or physically?" and then answered "Yes," without getting more specific. Given that she went straight to the "emotionally injured" thing, I think it's a safe guess that the "yes" would apply to the "emotionally" bit that she specified.
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I'm not sure I agree with any emotional injury for Rey being inflicted by Kylo/Ben. Luke has got the furthest to fall in her estimations as she sees him as a legend. In her eyes (because I'm not at all saying Luke should be the main focus of this at all) he represents this great hope for the galaxy, having helped to save it once before and with her being tasked by Leia to find him, deliver the lightsaber to him and bring him back into the fight. Kylo has already disappointed her in the worst way with killing Han and badly injuring Finn. He has got a lot of ground to cover to get her to invest in him, even if she does start to feel compassion over what happened with him in the past via her visions. I guess it depends just how much time Rey and Kylo spend together and how much progress he makes in terms of earning her trust. But Rey would have to be extremely naive (and she is in some ways but TFA showed her to have some smarts when it came to dealing with people and not being taken advantage of) to trust Kylo so quickly after all he's done and then be shocked when he double crosses her. She should be expecting to be double crossed by him and surprised when he doesn't betray her. In my opinion, I see it as more likely that Luke lets her down, especially considering how fast she gets attached to people she sees as heroes.

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Post by snufkin on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 7:43 pm

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@MeadowofAshes wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@MeadowofAshes wrote:
@Birdwoman wrote:Wasn't there a rumor at one point Rey will be emotionally hurt and go back to Jakku?
@Birdwoman

I don't remember if that rumor involved Rey going back to Jakku (I know several of us here have said it'd be hilarious for Finn to have to go back with her at some point :lol:). But Daisy did say Rey would be put through the emotional wringer.
@MeadowofAshes

Daisy flat-out said that she'd be "emotionally injured" in an interview a few months ago. (I think it was the "My dad made a porno" podcast, but it could have been the Mtv podcast that she did roughly around the same time.)

They Rey-is-so-jaded-she-returns-to-Jakku came from a reddit leak that had some other, plausible-sounding stuff (at the time). I haven't re-visited it since the poster/trailer release, though, and I've found that a lot of those early leaks/spoilers (from non-MSW sources) that had some plausible bits have since been de-bunked (or mostly de-bunked) by more recent info.
@ISeeAnIsland

Emotional injury doesn't make sense coming from anyone but Ben, to me. She has no strong connection to anyone else in the film and they are the central dynamic. That lends itself to "seeming betrayal" ending.
@MeadowofAshes

TBH, that's my gut feeling.

Which would mean that she'd at least have to start developing some trust for him in order to be betrayed.

I mean, I guess it could be something to do with her parents or Luke, but they'd have to build up something about Luke in order for him to hurt her. As far as her parents go, if there's something shocking there, either Luke or Kylo would have to be the ones with knowledge who drop the bombshell, or she'd have to find out from a vision.

Given that it sounds like (at this point) she doesn't really interact with anyone onscreen other than Luke, Kylo, and Chewie, that sort of limits the options there. And in the interview, the interviewer asked the question, "Does Rey get injured?", and she immediately replied, "Emotionally or physically?" and then answered "Yes," without getting more specific. Given that she went straight to the "emotionally injured" thing, I think it's a safe guess that the "yes" would apply to the "emotionally" bit that she specified.

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I fully expect that the two of them will run off together and the FO catches up with them for a cliffhanger because she never really turned down his original offer, plus "briiiiiiingggg heeeeerrr toooo meeee" (God is Snoke annoying with how he drags out syllables). It may be ambiguous to the other characters if he took her or if she made the choice to go off with him.

Something has to have flipped at that point, where Ben is no longer trying to be teacher's pet and wants to keep her away from SnokeBeyond that, they may have to go through the pretense that he's captured her. Or that she makes the choice despite his efforts to not leave him alone with them, which would tie in with "you came back" being big for the both of them. I guess the whole point of the cliffhanger for ESB is that despite Leia keeping Han at arm's length for not being a "nice man," he shows that he actually is because he sticks his neck out to keep her safe and pays the price for it. And he learns the hard way that her judgement (women always figure out the truth) is sometimes a better guide than his cockiness/overconfidence. But it changes the dynamic/trust between the two characters, they each learn something about themselves because of the other person and grow because of it, and then fate intervenes to test this new bond via a threat.

As for Luke, I can see how it pretty quick (but brutal) way of hurting her in that situation would be to reveal that he had a hand in whatever happened to her parents. They've certainly made a point of telling people that the reality of Luke versus the myth is going to be a problem for Rey. If they're going to show the backstory of what happened with Ben and it looks like Luke is not 100% innocent via the poster and trailer quote/Searchers style shot, she may also be disappointed by him the way Kylo warned her to not look up to Han. Family and belonging are the biggest things she's always wanted in her life and idealized because it was taken away from her. So even just via the family drama with those two characters in an isolated location, she's going to have a lot of that idealism tested if she sees first hand how things went wrong in that particular family. Especially if some of it was a result of what Luke was doing and how it impacted Ben.
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Post by SoloSideCousin on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 7:52 pm

@FrolickingFizzgig wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@MeadowofAshes wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@MeadowofAshes wrote:
@Birdwoman wrote:Wasn't there a rumor at one point Rey will be emotionally hurt and go back to Jakku?
@Birdwoman

I don't remember if that rumor involved Rey going back to Jakku (I know several of us here have said it'd be hilarious for Finn to have to go back with her at some point Laughing). But Daisy did say Rey would be put through the emotional wringer.
@MeadowofAshes

Daisy flat-out said that she'd be "emotionally injured" in an interview a few months ago. (I think it was the "My dad made a porno" podcast, but it could have been the Mtv podcast that she did roughly around the same time.)

They Rey-is-so-jaded-she-returns-to-Jakku came from a reddit leak that had some other, plausible-sounding stuff (at the time). I haven't re-visited it since the poster/trailer release, though, and I've found that a lot of those early leaks/spoilers (from non-MSW sources) that had some plausible bits have since been de-bunked (or mostly de-bunked) by more recent info.
@ISeeAnIsland

Emotional injury doesn't make sense coming from anyone but Ben, to me. She has no strong connection to anyone else in the film and they are the central dynamic. That lends itself to "seeming betrayal" ending.
@MeadowofAshes

TBH, that's my gut feeling.

Which would mean that she'd at least have to start developing some trust for him in order to be betrayed.

I mean, I guess it could be something to do with her parents or Luke, but they'd have to build up something about Luke in order for him to hurt her. As far as her parents go, if there's something shocking there, either Luke or Kylo would have to be the ones with knowledge who drop the bombshell, or she'd have to find out from a vision.

Given that it sounds like (at this point) she doesn't really interact with anyone onscreen other than Luke, Kylo, and Chewie, that sort of limits the options there. And in the interview, the interviewer asked the question, "Does Rey get injured?", and she immediately replied, "Emotionally or physically?" and then answered "Yes," without getting more specific. Given that she went straight to the "emotionally injured" thing, I think it's a safe guess that the "yes" would apply to the "emotionally" bit that she specified.
@ISeeAnIsland
You guys could definitely be right, but I do think it's also very probable that Rey will experience some kind of emotional injury from Luke being such a disappointment. Think about it. She has a strong attachment to the idea of him. He's been hyped up by Han and Maz and likely Leia (off-screen), and she's been told that it's up to her to bring him back into the fight. His saber called to her, he's Force Sensitive and very powerful just like she is so there's probably something of a need for explanation in Rey, explanation and advice she thinks only Luke can give. Not only that, but her expectations are going to be huge, and Luke's probably going to crush them in a matter of 45 minutes. Now, I do think that "crushing" is going to have something to do with Kylo and what really happened 7-8 years ago to make Luke go into exile. Her whole world is going to be flipped again when she realizes that Luke might not have been the great light hero and Kylo--the dude she's probably going to be dead-set on villainizing at first--is not all dark evil warlord.
@FrolickingFizzgig

I agree with this. Her positive expectations for Kylo are non-existent, and I expect that they will remain that way for a while. IOW, I think that she is going to be very tough on Kylo in terms of giving her trust, even if she starts falling for him, probably especially if she starts falling for him. He already hurt her when he killed Han. She'll be very emotionally "on guard" with him.

OTOH, she acts like a little kid when it comes to these "good" and legendary figures. Luke is an icon for her, as Han was, as Leia will probably become. I also think she will put the Resistance under this childlike veil of "good".  But then a series of things are going to shatter those childlike illusions. Luke is a mess. Kylo's story is a lot more complicated than she thought, maybe to the point where Ben might have been victimized to some extent. The Resistance might do something ugly, a la Rogue One moments.

I am almost positive that the spoiler where Rey ends back on Jakku was the same one where Luke does something big and terrible that not everyone agrees with, leaving her not knowing who to trust.

If this is true, she may eventually turn to Kylo at the beginning of IX because he might actually seem the most honest and she cares about him now ... OR ... think about what AD said in that interview about "it depends on what your definition of alive is." What if part of what Luke does includes the updated version of "frozen in carbonite"? After a whole movie of getting to know Kylo, Rey may have a problem with that.
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Post by Helix on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 7:58 pm

This makes me really want to go back through all of those non-MSW spoilers and see what is right. Remember how supposedly Disney/Lucasfilm throws out fake stuff with legit stuff mixed in?
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Post by FrolickingFizzgig on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 8:06 pm

@SoloSideCousin wrote:
@FrolickingFizzgig wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@MeadowofAshes wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@MeadowofAshes wrote:
@Birdwoman wrote:Wasn't there a rumor at one point Rey will be emotionally hurt and go back to Jakku?
@Birdwoman

I don't remember if that rumor involved Rey going back to Jakku (I know several of us here have said it'd be hilarious for Finn to have to go back with her at some point Laughing). But Daisy did say Rey would be put through the emotional wringer.
@MeadowofAshes

Daisy flat-out said that she'd be "emotionally injured" in an interview a few months ago. (I think it was the "My dad made a porno" podcast, but it could have been the Mtv podcast that she did roughly around the same time.)

They Rey-is-so-jaded-she-returns-to-Jakku came from a reddit leak that had some other, plausible-sounding stuff (at the time). I haven't re-visited it since the poster/trailer release, though, and I've found that a lot of those early leaks/spoilers (from non-MSW sources) that had some plausible bits have since been de-bunked (or mostly de-bunked) by more recent info.
@ISeeAnIsland

Emotional injury doesn't make sense coming from anyone but Ben, to me. She has no strong connection to anyone else in the film and they are the central dynamic. That lends itself to "seeming betrayal" ending.
@MeadowofAshes

TBH, that's my gut feeling.

Which would mean that she'd at least have to start developing some trust for him in order to be betrayed.

I mean, I guess it could be something to do with her parents or Luke, but they'd have to build up something about Luke in order for him to hurt her. As far as her parents go, if there's something shocking there, either Luke or Kylo would have to be the ones with knowledge who drop the bombshell, or she'd have to find out from a vision.

Given that it sounds like (at this point) she doesn't really interact with anyone onscreen other than Luke, Kylo, and Chewie, that sort of limits the options there. And in the interview, the interviewer asked the question, "Does Rey get injured?", and she immediately replied, "Emotionally or physically?" and then answered "Yes," without getting more specific. Given that she went straight to the "emotionally injured" thing, I think it's a safe guess that the "yes" would apply to the "emotionally" bit that she specified.
@ISeeAnIsland
You guys could definitely be right, but I do think it's also very probable that Rey will experience some kind of emotional injury from Luke being such a disappointment. Think about it. She has a strong attachment to the idea of him. He's been hyped up by Han and Maz and likely Leia (off-screen), and she's been told that it's up to her to bring him back into the fight. His saber called to her, he's Force Sensitive and very powerful just like she is so there's probably something of a need for explanation in Rey, explanation and advice she thinks only Luke can give. Not only that, but her expectations are going to be huge, and Luke's probably going to crush them in a matter of 45 minutes. Now, I do think that "crushing" is going to have something to do with Kylo and what really happened 7-8 years ago to make Luke go into exile. Her whole world is going to be flipped again when she realizes that Luke might not have been the great light hero and Kylo--the dude she's probably going to be dead-set on villainizing at first--is not all dark evil warlord.
@FrolickingFizzgig

I agree with this. Her positive expectations for Kylo are non-existent, and I expect that they will remain that way for a while. IOW, I think that she is going to be very tough on Kylo in terms of giving her trust, even if she starts falling for him, probably especially if she starts falling for him. He already hurt her when he killed Han. She'll be very emotionally "on guard" with him.

OTOH, she acts like a little kid when it comes to these "good" and legendary figures. Luke is an icon for her, as Han was, as Leia will probably become. I also think she will put the Resistance under this childlike veil of "good".  But then a series of things are going to shatter those childlike illusions. Luke is a mess. Kylo's story is a lot more complicated than she thought, maybe to the point where Ben might have been victimized to some extent. The Resistance might do something ugly, a la Rogue One moments.

I am almost positive that the spoiler where Rey ends back on Jakku was the same one where Luke does something big and terrible that not everyone agrees with, leaving her not knowing who to trust.

If this is true, she may eventually turn to Kylo at the beginning of IX because he might actually seem the most honest and she cares about him now ... OR ... think about what AD said in that interview about "it depends on what your definition of alive is." What if part of what Luke does includes the updated version of "frozen in carbonite"? After a whole movie of getting to know Kylo, Rey may have a problem with that.
@SoloSideCousin
Exactly! And to me, that's what the poster absolutely SCREAMS. That Rey will find herself caught in the middle of an incredibly polarizing conflict between two Skywalkers, both of whom will shatter her expectations in some way. She thinks she knows the whole story--that Luke was good and Kylo was evil, but there will undoubtedly be more to it, something will come out that will shatter her beliefs, and she won't know where to turn.

Like, in the poster, she's just one small, young woman, but her light is reaching out to both of them and will eventually bring them back together. And actually, thinking about this made me realize why I'm iffy on "dark Luke" theories. It's more likely to me that he'll be all-around too light, maybe even a little like the Jedi Council with the emotional isolation and the meditation. Rey can therefore be the bridge between the light and dark who brings about a new kind of Force user alongside both Luke and Kylo?

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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 8:14 pm

@SoloSideCousin wrote:
@FrolickingFizzgig wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@MeadowofAshes wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@MeadowofAshes wrote:
@Birdwoman wrote:Wasn't there a rumor at one point Rey will be emotionally hurt and go back to Jakku?
@Birdwoman

I don't remember if that rumor involved Rey going back to Jakku (I know several of us here have said it'd be hilarious for Finn to have to go back with her at some point Laughing). But Daisy did say Rey would be put through the emotional wringer.
@MeadowofAshes

Daisy flat-out said that she'd be "emotionally injured" in an interview a few months ago. (I think it was the "My dad made a porno" podcast, but it could have been the Mtv podcast that she did roughly around the same time.)

They Rey-is-so-jaded-she-returns-to-Jakku came from a reddit leak that had some other, plausible-sounding stuff (at the time). I haven't re-visited it since the poster/trailer release, though, and I've found that a lot of those early leaks/spoilers (from non-MSW sources) that had some plausible bits have since been de-bunked (or mostly de-bunked) by more recent info.
@ISeeAnIsland

Emotional injury doesn't make sense coming from anyone but Ben, to me. She has no strong connection to anyone else in the film and they are the central dynamic. That lends itself to "seeming betrayal" ending.
@MeadowofAshes

TBH, that's my gut feeling.

Which would mean that she'd at least have to start developing some trust for him in order to be betrayed.

I mean, I guess it could be something to do with her parents or Luke, but they'd have to build up something about Luke in order for him to hurt her. As far as her parents go, if there's something shocking there, either Luke or Kylo would have to be the ones with knowledge who drop the bombshell, or she'd have to find out from a vision.

Given that it sounds like (at this point) she doesn't really interact with anyone onscreen other than Luke, Kylo, and Chewie, that sort of limits the options there. And in the interview, the interviewer asked the question, "Does Rey get injured?", and she immediately replied, "Emotionally or physically?" and then answered "Yes," without getting more specific. Given that she went straight to the "emotionally injured" thing, I think it's a safe guess that the "yes" would apply to the "emotionally" bit that she specified.
@ISeeAnIsland
You guys could definitely be right, but I do think it's also very probable that Rey will experience some kind of emotional injury from Luke being such a disappointment. Think about it. She has a strong attachment to the idea of him. He's been hyped up by Han and Maz and likely Leia (off-screen), and she's been told that it's up to her to bring him back into the fight. His saber called to her, he's Force Sensitive and very powerful just like she is so there's probably something of a need for explanation in Rey, explanation and advice she thinks only Luke can give. Not only that, but her expectations are going to be huge, and Luke's probably going to crush them in a matter of 45 minutes. Now, I do think that "crushing" is going to have something to do with Kylo and what really happened 7-8 years ago to make Luke go into exile. Her whole world is going to be flipped again when she realizes that Luke might not have been the great light hero and Kylo--the dude she's probably going to be dead-set on villainizing at first--is not all dark evil warlord.
@FrolickingFizzgig

I agree with this. Her positive expectations for Kylo are non-existent, and I expect that they will remain that way for a while. IOW, I think that she is going to be very tough on Kylo in terms of giving her trust, even if she starts falling for him, probably especially if she starts falling for him. He already hurt her when he killed Han. She'll be very emotionally "on guard" with him.

OTOH, she acts like a little kid when it comes to these "good" and legendary figures. Luke is an icon for her, as Han was, as Leia will probably become. I also think she will put the Resistance under this childlike veil of "good".  But then a series of things are going to shatter those childlike illusions. Luke is a mess. Kylo's story is a lot more complicated than she thought, maybe to the point where Ben might have been victimized to some extent. The Resistance might do something ugly, a la Rogue One moments.

I am almost positive that the spoiler where Rey ends back on Jakku was the same one where Luke does something big and terrible that not everyone agrees with, leaving her not knowing who to trust.

If this is true, she may eventually turn to Kylo at the beginning of IX because he might actually seem the most honest and she cares about him now ... OR ... think about what AD said in that interview about "it depends on what your definition of alive is." What if part of what Luke does includes the updated version of "frozen in carbonite"? After a whole movie of getting to know Kylo, Rey may have a problem with that.
@SoloSideCousin

I totally get all of that, and I don't disagree with it, but in this particular case, based on Daisy's wording and tone (and I did listen to the podcast myself), I got the impression that the "emotional injury" was something acute, rather than a general feeling of being let down or disappointed. That makes me think that there's a specific act involved, and that's what made me go straight to thinking that there was a betrayal of some sort.

I could be wrong. I guess that Luke blowing the hut could potentially fall into that category. Like I said, I'm just going off of tone/wording from the interview--gut instinct, rather than fact-based evidence.

ETA: I missed the last part of your post on first read-through. Her beginning to feel some attachment/compassion for Kylo, and then Luke doing something to hurt Kylo... Yeah, that would definitely fit with the way things were worded.

I do remember the "Luke does something major/Rey ends up on Jakku" reddit leak. I reviewed it fairly recently, and while a fair amount of it sounded plausible, there were one or two things in it that have since been debunked. I'll go find it again and post it for the specifics.
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Post by MeadowofAshes on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 8:21 pm

Sorry to go OT here, but have Rey, Ren, and Luke from that poster been discussed as the Holy Trinity anywhere? Luke is looking very Angry God, Ben would be the Son, and Rey is the Holy Spirit who serves as the conscience and comforter.

EDIT: The triangular layout of the trio is what caught my eye.
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Post by MyOnlyHope on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 8:31 pm

@MeadowofAshes wrote:Sorry to go OT here, but have Rey, Ren, and Luke from that poster been discussed as the Holy Trinity anywhere? Luke is looking very Angry God, Ben would be the Son, and Rey is the Holy Spirit who serves as the conscience and comforter.

EDIT: The triangular layout of the trio is what caught my eye.
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Huh, interesting thought. Of course Star Wars is full of religious metaphors from both Western and Eastern religion and philosophy. There's no saying whether or not this was an intentional reference, but it's still certainly a valid interpretation. The triangular shape and use of light are eye catching.

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Post by SoloSideCousin on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 8:32 pm

@FrolickingFizzgig wrote:
@SoloSideCousin wrote:
@FrolickingFizzgig wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@MeadowofAshes wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@MeadowofAshes wrote:
@Birdwoman wrote:Wasn't there a rumor at one point Rey will be emotionally hurt and go back to Jakku?
@Birdwoman

I don't remember if that rumor involved Rey going back to Jakku (I know several of us here have said it'd be hilarious for Finn to have to go back with her at some point Laughing). But Daisy did say Rey would be put through the emotional wringer.
@MeadowofAshes

Daisy flat-out said that she'd be "emotionally injured" in an interview a few months ago. (I think it was the "My dad made a porno" podcast, but it could have been the Mtv podcast that she did roughly around the same time.)

They Rey-is-so-jaded-she-returns-to-Jakku came from a reddit leak that had some other, plausible-sounding stuff (at the time). I haven't re-visited it since the poster/trailer release, though, and I've found that a lot of those early leaks/spoilers (from non-MSW sources) that had some plausible bits have since been de-bunked (or mostly de-bunked) by more recent info.
@ISeeAnIsland

Emotional injury doesn't make sense coming from anyone but Ben, to me. She has no strong connection to anyone else in the film and they are the central dynamic. That lends itself to "seeming betrayal" ending.
@MeadowofAshes

TBH, that's my gut feeling.

Which would mean that she'd at least have to start developing some trust for him in order to be betrayed.

I mean, I guess it could be something to do with her parents or Luke, but they'd have to build up something about Luke in order for him to hurt her. As far as her parents go, if there's something shocking there, either Luke or Kylo would have to be the ones with knowledge who drop the bombshell, or she'd have to find out from a vision.

Given that it sounds like (at this point) she doesn't really interact with anyone onscreen other than Luke, Kylo, and Chewie, that sort of limits the options there. And in the interview, the interviewer asked the question, "Does Rey get injured?", and she immediately replied, "Emotionally or physically?" and then answered "Yes," without getting more specific. Given that she went straight to the "emotionally injured" thing, I think it's a safe guess that the "yes" would apply to the "emotionally" bit that she specified.
@ISeeAnIsland
You guys could definitely be right, but I do think it's also very probable that Rey will experience some kind of emotional injury from Luke being such a disappointment. Think about it. She has a strong attachment to the idea of him. He's been hyped up by Han and Maz and likely Leia (off-screen), and she's been told that it's up to her to bring him back into the fight. His saber called to her, he's Force Sensitive and very powerful just like she is so there's probably something of a need for explanation in Rey, explanation and advice she thinks only Luke can give. Not only that, but her expectations are going to be huge, and Luke's probably going to crush them in a matter of 45 minutes. Now, I do think that "crushing" is going to have something to do with Kylo and what really happened 7-8 years ago to make Luke go into exile. Her whole world is going to be flipped again when she realizes that Luke might not have been the great light hero and Kylo--the dude she's probably going to be dead-set on villainizing at first--is not all dark evil warlord.
@FrolickingFizzgig

I agree with this. Her positive expectations for Kylo are non-existent, and I expect that they will remain that way for a while. IOW, I think that she is going to be very tough on Kylo in terms of giving her trust, even if she starts falling for him, probably especially if she starts falling for him. He already hurt her when he killed Han. She'll be very emotionally "on guard" with him.

OTOH, she acts like a little kid when it comes to these "good" and legendary figures. Luke is an icon for her, as Han was, as Leia will probably become. I also think she will put the Resistance under this childlike veil of "good".  But then a series of things are going to shatter those childlike illusions. Luke is a mess. Kylo's story is a lot more complicated than she thought, maybe to the point where Ben might have been victimized to some extent. The Resistance might do something ugly, a la Rogue One moments.

I am almost positive that the spoiler where Rey ends back on Jakku was the same one where Luke does something big and terrible that not everyone agrees with, leaving her not knowing who to trust.

If this is true, she may eventually turn to Kylo at the beginning of IX because he might actually seem the most honest and she cares about him now ... OR ... think about what AD said in that interview about "it depends on what your definition of alive is." What if part of what Luke does includes the updated version of "frozen in carbonite"? After a whole movie of getting to know Kylo, Rey may have a problem with that.
@SoloSideCousin
Exactly! And to me, that's what the poster absolutely SCREAMS. That Rey will find herself caught in the middle of an incredibly polarizing conflict between two Skywalkers, both of whom will shatter her expectations in some way. She thinks she knows the whole story--that Luke was good and Kylo was evil, but there will undoubtedly be more to it, something will come out that will shatter her beliefs, and she won't know where to turn.

Like, in the poster, she's just one small, young woman, but her light is reaching out to both of them and will eventually bring them back together. And actually, thinking about this made me realize why I'm iffy on "dark Luke" theories. It's more likely to me that he'll be all-around too light, maybe even a little like the Jedi Council with the emotional isolation and the meditation. Rey can therefore be the bridge between the light and dark who brings about a new kind of Force user alongside both Luke and Kylo?

@FrolickingFizzgig

YES! Unless Luke is infected by some dark objects or something, I actually see it being much more likely that he will be "pathologically light." When I say that I am thinking of super puritanical/orthodox figures that cross so far over into their philosophy, whether due to fear or mental rigidity or just plan siege mentality, that they cross over into zealous people acting badly.  It's kind of the question of "when does the orthodox believer cross over into zealous inquisitor?" I could see RJ playing with a question like that, and with his background and his denial of Vader (beatific smile bit in Bloodline, Luke has all the makings of having severe fear and anxiety over things that even seem "kind of dark." An emotional kid like Ben might scare the sith out of Luke and he might react in an extreme and defensive way..
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Post by Guest on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 8:35 pm

@FrolickingFizzgig wrote:
@SoloSideCousin wrote:
@FrolickingFizzgig wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@MeadowofAshes wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@MeadowofAshes wrote:
@Birdwoman wrote:Wasn't there a rumor at one point Rey will be emotionally hurt and go back to Jakku?
@Birdwoman

I don't remember if that rumor involved Rey going back to Jakku (I know several of us here have said it'd be hilarious for Finn to have to go back with her at some point Laughing). But Daisy did say Rey would be put through the emotional wringer.
@MeadowofAshes

Daisy flat-out said that she'd be "emotionally injured" in an interview a few months ago. (I think it was the "My dad made a porno" podcast, but it could have been the Mtv podcast that she did roughly around the same time.)

They Rey-is-so-jaded-she-returns-to-Jakku came from a reddit leak that had some other, plausible-sounding stuff (at the time). I haven't re-visited it since the poster/trailer release, though, and I've found that a lot of those early leaks/spoilers (from non-MSW sources) that had some plausible bits have since been de-bunked (or mostly de-bunked) by more recent info.
@ISeeAnIsland

Emotional injury doesn't make sense coming from anyone but Ben, to me. She has no strong connection to anyone else in the film and they are the central dynamic. That lends itself to "seeming betrayal" ending.
@MeadowofAshes

TBH, that's my gut feeling.

Which would mean that she'd at least have to start developing some trust for him in order to be betrayed.

I mean, I guess it could be something to do with her parents or Luke, but they'd have to build up something about Luke in order for him to hurt her. As far as her parents go, if there's something shocking there, either Luke or Kylo would have to be the ones with knowledge who drop the bombshell, or she'd have to find out from a vision.

Given that it sounds like (at this point) she doesn't really interact with anyone onscreen other than Luke, Kylo, and Chewie, that sort of limits the options there. And in the interview, the interviewer asked the question, "Does Rey get injured?", and she immediately replied, "Emotionally or physically?" and then answered "Yes," without getting more specific. Given that she went straight to the "emotionally injured" thing, I think it's a safe guess that the "yes" would apply to the "emotionally" bit that she specified.
@ISeeAnIsland
You guys could definitely be right, but I do think it's also very probable that Rey will experience some kind of emotional injury from Luke being such a disappointment. Think about it. She has a strong attachment to the idea of him. He's been hyped up by Han and Maz and likely Leia (off-screen), and she's been told that it's up to her to bring him back into the fight. His saber called to her, he's Force Sensitive and very powerful just like she is so there's probably something of a need for explanation in Rey, explanation and advice she thinks only Luke can give. Not only that, but her expectations are going to be huge, and Luke's probably going to crush them in a matter of 45 minutes. Now, I do think that "crushing" is going to have something to do with Kylo and what really happened 7-8 years ago to make Luke go into exile. Her whole world is going to be flipped again when she realizes that Luke might not have been the great light hero and Kylo--the dude she's probably going to be dead-set on villainizing at first--is not all dark evil warlord.
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I agree with this. Her positive expectations for Kylo are non-existent, and I expect that they will remain that way for a while. IOW, I think that she is going to be very tough on Kylo in terms of giving her trust, even if she starts falling for him, probably especially if she starts falling for him. He already hurt her when he killed Han. She'll be very emotionally "on guard" with him.

OTOH, she acts like a little kid when it comes to these "good" and legendary figures. Luke is an icon for her, as Han was, as Leia will probably become. I also think she will put the Resistance under this childlike veil of "good".  But then a series of things are going to shatter those childlike illusions. Luke is a mess. Kylo's story is a lot more complicated than she thought, maybe to the point where Ben might have been victimized to some extent. The Resistance might do something ugly, a la Rogue One moments.

I am almost positive that the spoiler where Rey ends back on Jakku was the same one where Luke does something big and terrible that not everyone agrees with, leaving her not knowing who to trust.

If this is true, she may eventually turn to Kylo at the beginning of IX because he might actually seem the most honest and she cares about him now ... OR ... think about what AD said in that interview about "it depends on what your definition of alive is." What if part of what Luke does includes the updated version of "frozen in carbonite"? After a whole movie of getting to know Kylo, Rey may have a problem with that.
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Exactly! And to me, that's what the poster absolutely SCREAMS. That Rey will find herself caught in the middle of an incredibly polarizing conflict between two Skywalkers, both of whom will shatter her expectations in some way. She thinks she knows the whole story--that Luke was good and Kylo was evil, but there will undoubtedly be more to it, something will come out that will shatter her beliefs, and she won't know where to turn.

Like, in the poster, she's just one small, young woman, but her light is reaching out to both of them and will eventually bring them back together. And actually, thinking about this made me realize why I'm iffy on "dark Luke" theories. It's more likely to me that he'll be all-around too light, maybe even a little like the Jedi Council with the emotional isolation and the meditation. Rey can therefore be the bridge between the light and dark who brings about a new kind of Force user alongside both Luke and Kylo?

@FrolickingFizzgig

I am also sceptical about just how "dark" Luke will be if at all. I'm envisaging it more as a kind of 'people get more right wing as they get older' kind of thing whereby his youthful idealism has evolved into something more hardline. The spoiler about Luke telling Rey she has to kill Kylo seems so at odds with Luke as we knew him in the OT (like when he tells Obi-Wan "I can't kill my own father!") I'm having trouble seeing it as anything other than a test he sets for Rey. If Luke has truly reached the stage where he feels Kylo has to die, it seems harsh he would ask someone else to do it. I guess that alone would be enough to send Rey into turmoil because it was one thing for her to be on the brink of it in that moment on Starkiller Base before the ground split, but it's quite another for her to go up against Kylo (possibly with more knowledge and understanding, and maybe some compassion) and have to kill him.

Something is going on with Luke, we know that much, and it's possible it predates Ben's fall. But with Rian Johnson being such a fanboy of Luke's, I'm just not sure he would want to completely upend everything by having Luke go to the dark side.

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Post by Guest on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 8:42 pm

@MeadowofAshes wrote:Sorry to go OT here, but have Rey, Ren, and Luke from that poster been discussed as the Holy Trinity anywhere? Luke is looking very Angry God, Ben would be the Son, and Rey is the Holy Spirit who serves as the conscience and comforter.

EDIT: The triangular layout of the trio is what caught my eye.
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I have seen a lot of chat in other Star Wars circles about Luke, Rey and Kylo being some version of The Clone Wars Mortis trilogy but nothing about the Holy Trinity so far. I guess the two concepts are similar. It is a while since I watched those particular episodes so maybe a rewatch is in order.

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Post by snufkin on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 8:43 pm

@Solosidecousin wrote:Unless Luke is infected by some dark objects or something, I actually see it being much more likely that he will be "pathologically light." When I say that I am thinking of super puritanical/orthodox figures that cross so far over into their philosophy, whether due to fear or mental rigidity or just plan siege mentality, that they cross over into zealous people acting badly. It's kind of the question of "when does the orthodox believer cross over into zealous inquisitor?" I could see RJ playing with a question like that, and with his background and his denial of Vader (beatific smile bit in Bloodline, Luke has all the makings of having severe fear and anxiety over things that even seem "kind of dark." An emotional kid like Ben might scare the sith out of Luke and he might react in an extreme and defensive way..

That's what I was thinking vis Bloodline and Leia's recollection of him telling her about their father's death with this beatific expression. That he's dug in deep to that moment and interpretation, which backfires when Leia entrusts him to guide/mentor Ben.
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 8:49 pm

I found the "Rey goes back to Jakku and makes another mark on her wall" leak:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsspeculation/comments/4l4zkn/believe_me_or_dont_i_read_the_script_ill_tell_you/

It's got a few things wrong, based on what we know now:
  • It's strongly hinting that the title contains the word(s) "fracture" and or "dark"...neither of which would be true.
  • They have Laura Dern's character's name as "Mon Destra" which is contradicted by the MSW report
  • "Finn is on Valara with Poe and the rest of the Resistance when the First Order attacks. He and Poe fight their way out of the city Black Jawk Down style while trying to get Leia to a medical freighter. Afterwards they're tasked with extracting a mole on a First Order occupied planet."



There's other stuff that's been debunked, but I got tired of copying and pasting. This one sounded plausible at the time, but I think we can now call it "debunked".
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