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Post by snufkin on Wed 26 Jul - 21:23

When they talk about Holdo not being somebody you should trust, immediate thought isn't that she's a Mon Mothma type leader, she's one of the frenemies Leia had in Bloodline who were happy to shiv her with the Vader reveal because it advances their own path to power.

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Post by SanghaRen on Fri 28 Jul - 9:05

ISeeAnIsland wrote:

Based on what we've heard so far, if we get someone switching sides from the Resistance to the FO, my guess is that it will be Admiral Holdo.

If they do off Hux at some point in TLJ, Holdo could also potentially fill his "military leader" antagonist role, too.
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And now I imagine Holdo as a sort of substitute of Thrawn. She could be siding with the FO to save her people from a greater threat. I'd love that. Except Thrawn did not pretend to work for the other side, but hey that would even add to the greyness and moral dilemma for the audience: "Do I feel for her or do I hate her?". So I can still keep my hopes up for an antagonist female character in the ST for now, right?
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Post by snufkin on Sat 29 Jul - 5:30

Duh, so with the renewed discussion about Rey's parents not being in TFA and the Force vision saber, I just remembered the talk Maryann Brandon, who was one of TFA's editors did almost a year ago. Which got discussed here (here) at that time for a couple of reasons:

1. She mentions how Kylo is meant to come across a bit as a "lost boy"

2. The scenes which were added/changed for "Rey's Force Vision." Which included adding on the moment when she's 5 and abandoned with Unkar Plutt. Also given the scenes in the junior and adult novelization where she sees a boy at the beginning of the vision, whether or not that means he also had a vision of her. But the big question, why was that moment cut and who was the boy? Also that an earlier version would've shown Snoke with a boy.  

3. That they changed around the moment Kylo takes off his mask to from the mask confession/Snoke Skype meeting to finally be when he's alone with Rey.

4. That like Mad Max Fury Road, TFA was edited by women (Brandon and Mary Jo Markey). Which gave rise to discussions about the female gaze present in both films, especially with how Kylo is presented in his unmasking. Which likely accounts for a lot of fan confusion. Because it's not the stereotypical scopophilia (I think that's the term, you hear it used a lot about Hitchcock's presentations of women and sexual repression in his films) that happens 99.99% of the time in films. Audience members who get confused or complain about that moment, it's going over their heads because they've been conditioned to have things presented to them in film from a certain (male centered) point of view. He's presented that way and in that specific moment for Rey to look at and respond to.



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one of the many reasons I love that George Miller quote, and appreciate that it’s circulating again in light of Sixel’s win: he doesn’t praise his editor for a traditionally womanly trait; he says she’s a tireless problem solver. It’s nice to see a female editor being praised for more than her ability to put up with a male director’s s***. Women are incredible editors both because and in spite of the qualities the patriarchy expects of us–and we’ve got the shiny, chrome hardware to prove it.

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MARYANN: I cut that scene and that scene had many incarnations. JJ’s direction was that he wanted it to be like an acid trip and she has to be super-scared when she falls out of it. I tried many variations and in the end realized that what worked the best was that it be sound driven. I decided to use the sound of her as a little girl screaming – that’s what eventually brings her down there. At one point it was a Force voice or a Yoda voice and none of it seemed to work until it became personal. When I put the screaming in, it started to help me visualize what I needed to show. So she follows that screaming voice and goes through and see R2-D2 and Luke’s mechanical hand and the knights of Ren in the rain and finally sees herself as a little girl. And it wasn’t until I put that scream in there that JJ started to respond to the cut or whatever we made up for that scene. Sound was incredibly important in designing that. And the music also became a sort of sound effect because I tried to find something very disturbing and metal-on-metal, so that became something that scared you as well. Eventually we added in a little bit of the sound of Yoda saying whatever he’s saying about the Force, “Don’t resist” and Brian Burke, one of our producers put together a line of Alec Guinness’ where he just says, “Rey.” And then we ended with Ewan McGregor saying, “These are your first steps.” So if you go back and listen to that scene, a lot of it is in the sound. I couldn’t be happier with it. But it was a long journey to get there and it’s less than a minute long.
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Post by Sacrebleu on Sat 29 Jul - 9:57

snufkin wrote:Duh, so with the renewed discussion about Rey's parents not being in TFA and the Force vision saber, I just remembered the talk Maryann Brandon, who was one of TFA's editors did almost a year ago. Which got discussed here (here) at that time for a couple of reasons:

1. She mentions how Kylo is meant to come across a bit as a "lost boy"

2. The scenes which were added/changed for "Rey's Force Vision." Which included adding on the moment when she's 5 and abandoned with Unkar Plutt. Also given the scenes in the junior and adult novelization where she sees a boy at the beginning of the vision, whether or not that means he also had a vision of her. But the big question, why was that moment cut and who was the boy? Also that an earlier version would've shown Snoke with a boy.  

3. That they changed around the moment Kylo takes off his mask to from the mask confession/Snoke Skype meeting to finally be when he's alone with Rey.

4. That like Mad Max Fury Road, TFA was edited by women (Brandon and Mary Jo Markey). Which gave rise to discussions about the female gaze present in both films, especially with how Kylo is presented in his unmasking. Which likely accounts for a lot of fan confusion. Because it's not the stereotypical scopophilia (I think that's the term, you hear it used a lot about Hitchcock's presentations of women and sexual repression in his films) that happens 99.99% of the time in films. Audience members who get confused or complain about that moment, it's going over their heads because they've been conditioned to have things presented to them in film from a certain (male centered) point of view. He's presented that way and in that specific moment for Rey to look at and respond to.



Reminder: George Miller Didn’t Think a Dude Could Handle Editing Mad Max: Fury Road
http://www.themarysue.com/margaret-sixel-bad***-award/
one of the many reasons I love that George Miller quote, and appreciate that it’s circulating again in light of Sixel’s win: he doesn’t praise his editor for a traditionally womanly trait; he says she’s a tireless problem solver. It’s nice to see a female editor being praised for more than her ability to put up with a male director’s s***. Women are incredible editors both because and in spite of the qualities the patriarchy expects of us–and we’ve got the shiny, chrome hardware to prove it.

ART OF THE CUT WITH THE EDITORS OF “STAR WARS – THE FORCE AWAKENS”

http://www.provideocoalition.com/art-of-the-cut-with-the-editors-of-star-wars-the-force-awakens/
MARYANN: I cut that scene and that scene had many incarnations. JJ’s direction was that he wanted it to be like an acid trip and she has to be super-scared when she falls out of it. I tried many variations and in the end realized that what worked the best was that it be sound driven. I decided to use the sound of her as a little girl screaming – that’s what eventually brings her down there. At one point it was a Force voice or a Yoda voice and none of it seemed to work until it became personal. When I put the screaming in, it started to help me visualize what I needed to show. So she follows that screaming voice and goes through and see R2-D2 and Luke’s mechanical hand and the knights of Ren in the rain and finally sees herself as a little girl. And it wasn’t until I put that scream in there that JJ started to respond to the cut or whatever we made up for that scene. Sound was incredibly important in designing that. And the music also became a sort of sound effect because I tried to find something very disturbing and metal-on-metal, so that became something that scared you as well. Eventually we added in a little bit of the sound of Yoda saying whatever he’s saying about the Force, “Don’t resist” and Brian Burke, one of our producers put together a line of Alec Guinness’ where he just says, “Rey.” And then we ended with Ewan McGregor saying, “These are your first steps.” So if you go back and listen to that scene, a lot of it is in the sound. I couldn’t be happier with it. But it was a long journey to get there and it’s less than a minute long.
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This is fascinating stuff! Especially the male versus female point of view, and all the work that went into the Force vision. I had no idea how involved that is.
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Re: The Last Jedi: General Discussion

Post by Cowgirlsamurai on Sat 29 Jul - 12:26

@snufkin

This was great, thanks for sharing! cheers

It was kind of terrifying hearing her say right off the bat that when working on a series, there are sometimes ideas put into play in one movie and then completely changed or scrapped in the next one, but I think we all know that can happen, especially when  the films in said series all have different directors silent

Also, I didn't know that they intended to have Leia know who Rey was in the beginning and then decided that it didn't make sense. I wonder if they had started out thinking that Rey would be Luke's daughter and Leia could sense it, but then threw it out. But Maryann kept saying that even they don't know who Rey is, which points to her being "a nobody."
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Post by Rei of Sunshine on Sat 29 Jul - 12:59

Cowgirlsamurai wrote:
Also, I didn't know that they intended to have Leia know who Rey was in the beginning
and then decided that it didn't make sense. I wonder if they had started out thinking that Rey would be Luke's daughter and Leia could sense it, but then threw it out. But Maryann kept saying that even they don't know who Rey is, which points to her being "a nobody."
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Leia upon seeing Rey: Oh yes, you shall be my daughter in law *then proceeds to hug Rey*
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Post by Cowgirlsamurai on Sat 29 Jul - 13:11

Rei of Sunshine wrote:
Cowgirlsamurai wrote:
Also, I didn't know that they intended to have Leia know who Rey was in the beginning
and then decided that it didn't make sense. I wonder if they had started out thinking that Rey would be Luke's daughter and Leia could sense it, but then threw it out. But Maryann kept saying that even they don't know who Rey is, which points to her being "a nobody."
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Leia upon seeing Rey: Oh yes, you shall be my daughter in law *then proceeds to hug Rey*
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Yeah, she made it sound like there is this inexplicable bond between Leia and Rey and even she's not sure what it is... gee, I wonder  Razz In the very least Rey's probably going to help save her boy's sorry behind, lol. But evidently that hug between them is very important and had to be in there, even if Maryann couldn't explain why.
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Post by Rei of Sunshine on Sat 29 Jul - 13:19

Cowgirlsamurai wrote:
Rei of Sunshine wrote:
Cowgirlsamurai wrote:
Also, I didn't know that they intended to have Leia know who Rey was in the beginning
and then decided that it didn't make sense. I wonder if they had started out thinking that Rey would be Luke's daughter and Leia could sense it, but then threw it out. But Maryann kept saying that even they don't know who Rey is, which points to her being "a nobody."
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Leia upon seeing Rey: Oh yes, you shall be my daughter in law *then proceeds to hug Rey*
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Yeah, she made it sound like there is this inexplicable bond between Leia and Rey and even she's not sure what it is... gee, I wonder  Razz In the very least Rey's probably going to help save her boy's sorry behind, lol. But evidently that hug between them is very important and had to be in there, even if Maryann couldn't explain why.
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It's THAT important that they showed that hug instead of Leia comforting Chewie. A lot of fans were confused and angry about that, but even JJ mentioned that they did need a Leia and Rey hug.
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Re: The Last Jedi: General Discussion

Post by snufkin on Sat 29 Jul - 16:32

Oh God, don't even get me started on the # of people who kept bleating about how Leia "should" have hugged Chewie. It was a moment between two women, centrally important the OT and ST, the most prominent FS female characters when force sensitivity has traditionally been treated like an Old Boy's Club membership, and most of important of all, Rey has been barely hugged by anybody since she was 5 years old. Like can people just suspend their stupid "is it canon?" or "you're not catering to my needs as a legacy/nostalgic Star Wars fan" bullshit for even a moment to just appreciate that scene. And knows who she is, hey maybe it's the fact that we suspect that there are two characters sharing grief, including Rey realizing who Leia is, and maybe even the two characters who have some kind of ability to connect mentally/emotionally with Ben via the Force?

@sacrebleu - yep it's a really interesting discussion about the typically gendered PoV in films being the male perspective. Which got flipped in TFA with moments like Kylo first taking off the helmet for Rey and how he's presented. Which it's like the above 'controversy' about who Leia should've hugged. People react that way either because they've always been the group centered on that PoV (see recent podcast bros who can't figure out Reylo and compare it to Twilight because wut? the dude is the LI? that doesn't cater to me!) or because they've simply been conditioned for so long to see things from a certain point of view that having it subverted from the status quo freaks them out. What's more interesting and feminist about the ST, which you wish people would discuss instead of endless "but Rey's a role model, so she should ________!" comments, is how there's simply a wide range of women presented in TFA. And not women who are central characters, but just women in different roles, ages, ethnicities, etc. Even just having Leia and Dr. Kahlonia show up with grey hair and wrinkles given how older women are treated as invisible or somebody's mom and are instead leaders is quietly radical. THAT would be the feminist discussion worth having about the ST instead of how people continue to treat Rey as this perfect vessel for everything women embody.

@cowgirlsamurai - we'll see with the next one how that works out b/c it appears from social media that RJ is editing. Not the same two team of women. Although if he was involved with TFA's production process and the Force scene in general, then he was privvy to those discussions. It's just ridiculous you have people complaining about how Leia should've hugged Chewie, he took his helmet off at the wrong moment, etc and you kind of want to smack them because there are these other details in play. Mainly about how JJ framed a lot of TFA from the female gaze. Which is pretty f**king radical for a mainstream blockbuster and considering the "it's a re-hash" comments, makes it actually a completely different creature. Because George Lucas sure as f**k wasn't showing a range of women in his films and we got the two actual female leads reduced to LI as each trilogy went on. There's something bigger going on here besides the feel good "girl power! Girls can be Jedis!" rah rah discussions that a lot of fans think is the central topic for the ST.
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Post by snufkin on Sat 29 Jul - 16:57

For a little more on the female gaze/perspective, the Mary Sue had an excellent breakdown of how films like Iron Man 3 are presented as passing the Bechtel test, but relying on the Strong Female Character trope as being feminist, when not really. With (unfortunately) Jurassic World in comparison as the traditional perspective and Mad Max Fury Road. The type of arguments over IM3 being feminist because "the heroine gets to beat up the bad guy" are essentially what you see with arguments about how Rey "should" hate Kylo, end up killing him, etc. People are conditioned by the faux feminism of movies like this one, which are all surface level versus how with Mad Max Fury Road, even how the characters are presented/framed is different.

Iron Man 3's Dangerous Surface-Level Feminism

MMFR is actively feminist, from its writing to its acting to its cinematography to its editing. Its women face difficult situations and violence, it has no one-dimensional Strong Female Characters™, there’s no winking at the camera about how Furiosa isn’t “like those other girls,” and so on.

But Sarah! She kills Killian!! She gets her revenge on him!

Between the camera’s gaze, the film’s structure, the plotting, and writing, IM3 is definitely not a feminist movie. But, I’d place it about halfway on our spectrum between MMFR and JW. It’s not actively feminist like MMFR, and not actively misogynist like JW. IM3 wants to be feminist, but is being held back by the lack of conscious feminist choices.
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IM3 is just kind of… there. Pepper’s a trophy and Maya’s role gets significantly reduced; they help the movie pass the Bechdel test, but their roles in the film are tossed around for quick emotional payoffs rather than for character development. And that’s more dangerous than JW’s active misogyny, because it passes under the average audience member’s radar. IM3 tries to paint itself like it’s more progressive than it is (hence the villain being so explicitly sexist and Pepper getting a punch in), all the while carrying the sexist, chauvinist attitude that we see in JW. It’s not so explicit as to give justification to turn our noses away, yet is undeniably there reiterating the same sexism seen again and again in Hollywood’s tired repertoire.
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Re: The Last Jedi: General Discussion

Post by Saracene on Sat 29 Jul - 22:04

My issue with Rey and Leia's hug isn't even about Chewie, I just thought that the whole hug scene made zero sense whatsoever and was another example of JJ wanting an emotional scene without bothering to build up to it or earn it. I don't care if they're two important female characters with the force, it still has to make sense within the story itself. Based on what we've been shown so far up to that point, Rey has no idea who Leia is and for Leia Rey is just a friend of Finn's whose well-being wasn't her first priority. If there are some force connections going on, well make them clear to the audience and have characters exchange some actual dialogue, rather than just show a wordless hug between characters whose connection you never bothered to establish.
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Post by SheLitAFire on Sat 29 Jul - 22:17

Saracene wrote:My issue with Rey and Leia's hug isn't even about Chewie, I just thought that the whole hug scene made zero sense whatsoever and was another example of JJ wanting an emotional scene without bothering to build up to it or earn it. I don't care if they're two important female characters with the force, it still has to make sense within the story itself. Based on what we've been shown so far up to that point, Rey has no idea who Leia is and for Leia Rey is just a friend of Finn's whose well-being wasn't her first priority. If there are some force connections going on, well make them clear to the audience and have characters exchange some actual dialogue, rather than just show a wordless hug between characters whose connection you never bothered to establish.
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I agree ^ I understand what some others have said above about appreciating the hug and that's swayed me somewhat, but I remember watching it in the theater and then at home multiple times and just thinking it was weird. I feel like even the actresses seemed awkward doing it (runs and hides because I know people will disagree with me on this). It just seemed out of place.
Regarding Chewie: 1. wasn't he carrying Finn off the ship? So it made sense that with his arms full Leia wouldn't distract him right then. But 2. I keep remember how close Leia got to him in ESB in Cloud City...and I think naturally there is a very deep bond there. That was something that was actually so special to me, growing up and watching those movies and the way she moved towards him in Cloud City when confronted by Lando and Vadar. So I wanted to see a hug between the two of them.
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Re: The Last Jedi: General Discussion

Post by Cowgirlsamurai on Sat 29 Jul - 22:24

@Saracene

It almost seems like Leia should be pissed, like, "What happened to Han, and who the @&$ are you?" Even Maryann, the editor in that interview can't really explain that moment. She just says it was important... and that in editing, they tried to cover up the fact that a Leia and Chewie hug wasn't filmed. Seems like that scene was a bit of an oops as JJ has mentioned disappointment in it before too.
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Post by Helix on Sat 29 Jul - 22:24

SheLitAFire wrote:
Saracene wrote:My issue with Rey and Leia's hug isn't even about Chewie, I just thought that the whole hug scene made zero sense whatsoever and was another example of JJ wanting an emotional scene without bothering to build up to it or earn it. I don't care if they're two important female characters with the force, it still has to make sense within the story itself. Based on what we've been shown so far up to that point, Rey has no idea who Leia is and for Leia Rey is just a friend of Finn's whose well-being wasn't her first priority. If there are some force connections going on, well make them clear to the audience and have characters exchange some actual dialogue, rather than just show a wordless hug between characters whose connection you never bothered to establish.
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I agree ^ I understand what some others have said above about appreciating the hug and that's swayed me somewhat, but I remember watching it in the theater and then at home multiple times and just thinking it was weird. I feel like even the actresses seemed awkward doing it (runs and hides because I know people will disagree with me on this). It just seemed out of place.
Regarding Chewie: 1. wasn't he carrying Finn off the ship? So it made sense that with his arms full Leia wouldn't distract him right then. But 2. I keep remember how close Leia got to him in ESB in Cloud City...and I think naturally there is a very deep bond there. That was something that was actually so special to me, growing up and watching those movies and the way she moved towards him in Cloud City when confronted by Lando and Vadar. So I wanted to see a hug between the two of them.
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I kinda agree. I mean Leia and Chewie knew Han better than anyone, it would be two people who lost someone incredibly important to them and comforting each other. Whereas Rey knew Han for so little and didn't even know Leia.
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Post by IoJovi on Sat 29 Jul - 22:30

Even JJ admits he made a mistake when Leia walked right on by Chewie to hug Rey. There's no backstory between them (unlike Leia and Chewie who had so much history together, and who loved Han together very deeply).

If you ask me, it seems like JJ did it to show off Leia's ring (which the Rey Soloists love with all their being). In other words, he did it because Mystery box...

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Post by DarthRen on Sat 29 Jul - 22:31

They just needed an emotional scene but sadly choose wrong character. It should have been Leia and Chewie and a lot of people thought this was a hint towards Rey Solo. Only way I can see it serving if any any way is that later on in TLJ Rey finds out that Leia is Kylo's/Ben's mother. She knows Han is his father but not that Leia is his mother. From BTS footage it looks Leia and Rey will meet.
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Post by Saracene on Sat 29 Jul - 22:36

IoJovi wrote:Even JJ admits he made a mistake when Leia walked right on by Chewie to hug Rey. There's no backstory between them (unlike Leia and Chewie who had so much history together, and who loved Han together very deeply).

If you ask me, it seems like JJ did it to show off Leia's ring (which the Rey Soloists love with all their being). In other words, he did it because Mystery box...
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I never even noticed Leia's ring until it was mentioned here. But yeah, the lack of dialogue in that scene was probably because of the Mystery Box and JJ wanting to keep Rey's parentage question open.
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Post by SheLitAFire on Sat 29 Jul - 22:42

Saracene wrote:
IoJovi wrote:Even JJ admits he made a mistake when Leia walked right on by Chewie to hug Rey. There's no backstory between them (unlike Leia and Chewie who had so much history together, and who loved Han together very deeply).

If you ask me, it seems like JJ did it to show off Leia's ring (which the Rey Soloists love with all their being). In other words, he did it because Mystery box...
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I never even noticed Leia's ring until it was mentioned here. But yeah, the lack of dialogue in that scene was probably because of the Mystery Box and JJ wanting to keep Rey's parentage question open.
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bahaha show off a ring? NEVER NOTICED IT. I'm going to look now. cyclops
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Post by SheLitAFire on Sat 29 Jul - 22:46

sorry, dp. Why do Rey Soloists love Leia's ring??? Is there something symbolic about the ring? Or do you just mean they love the hug between the two?
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Post by MeadowofAshes on Sat 29 Jul - 22:52

SheLitAFire wrote:sorry, dp. Why do Rey Soloists love Leia's ring??? Is there something symbolic about the ring? Or do you just mean they love the hug between the two?
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They love the ring because it has two identical blue stones, so obviously they're for Ben and his long lost baby sister right?
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Post by Sacrebleu on Sat 29 Jul - 23:09

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SheLitAFire wrote:sorry, dp. Why do Rey Soloists love Leia's ring??? Is there something symbolic about the ring? Or do you just mean they love the hug between the two?
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They love the ring because it has two identical blue stones, so obviously they're for Ben and his long lost baby sister right?
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The biggest problem I have with that scenario is the conversation between Han and Leia.  They have this heartrending talk about how they lost their son and how that loss has devastated them.  Had they lost not one but two children, I can't for the life of me imagine them having such a conversation and not mentioning their lost daughter.  My mind balks at that.


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Re: The Last Jedi: General Discussion

Post by Mrs Ben Solo on Sat 29 Jul - 23:11

MeadowofAshes wrote:
SheLitAFire wrote:sorry, dp. Why do Rey Soloists love Leia's ring??? Is there something symbolic about the ring? Or do you just mean they love the hug between the two?
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They love the ring because it has two identical blue stones, so obviously they're for Ben and his long lost baby sister right?
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I do wonder about that ring... Not because I think it signifies Ben's baby sister, Rey Solo, but because Leia is still wearing it in TLJ. Pablo once said he didn't include a reference to it in the TFA Visual Dictionary because he didn't know if it would be seen again. https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/792016598747848705 (The account of the person who asked the question about Leia's ring has been deleted but PH's reply is still there).

However, he has also said that there's nothing to say about it so who knows! https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/802958322403901440
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Post by Sacrebleu on Sat 29 Jul - 23:31

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:However, he has also said that there's nothing to say about it so who knows! https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/802958322403901440
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Sometimes a ring is just a ring?
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Re: The Last Jedi: General Discussion

Post by ISeeAnIsland on Sat 29 Jul - 23:54

I agree that it was a miss that they didn't film a Leia-Chewie hug (as JJ acknowledges). I can think of a couple of possibilities why filming a Leia/Rey hug might be important...although we probably won't know until at least after TLJ:

* If Ben had visions of Rey, depending on how far those visions go back, he might have told his parents about them (as some here have speculated). Perhaps Leia recognized Rey as the "pretty girl with three buns" that Ben had described?
* We know from MSW that Rey saw at least one major thing in Kylo's mind that wasn't referenced in TFA. What if Rey saw memories of Ben's mother?

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