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Post by snufkin on Mon 18 Sep - 7:23

@Darth Dingbat - wonder if any spoilers got out that way last time. It's understandable, but it's still a little odd the entire onslaught of publishing tie-in materials for all different age groups and topics, but yet the actual novelizations aren't coming out until the DVD does. Or the amount of toys and merch they're already pushing with costumes, settings, et cetera for the movie.

Maybe it's just that they had to delay it to prevent leaks in general, but this is still me in response to it.



Does this mean Leia sent her kid off to her brother, not knowing the brother went crazy and is sort of responsible for all the bad sh*t that happened? Are they worried about a certain group of vocal fans freaking out because all of their "Rey is Luke's daughter" magical thinking gets blown to Hell by plot points and dialogue? Is it a shocking twist (obvs not to this crowd) if the heroine and villain do the Star Wars equivalent of "let's get coffee" and end up having a completely normal conversation instead of trying to kill each other? And that maybe she starts to agree with him a little that his uncle is kind of d*ck and feels even more sorry for his mom being the one actual heroic person in that family who's always stuck with the responsibility of getting sh*t done? We're going to have to wait another 6 months to read about it, which kind of sucks!
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Post by panki on Mon 18 Sep - 7:25

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snufkin wrote:@adamdrivershair - interesting! But that's still not releasing anything until the entire theatrical run ended. Like are they not giving the intel to the writers until December 15th?
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Jason Fry is working on the novelisation right now. He talks about it on his Twitter account.

https://twitter.com/jasoncfry/status/909130791522832385

https://twitter.com/jasoncfry/status/909497101788352513
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I'm glad Jason Fry is writing the novel.... he sometimes discusses the writing process and characters after a book is released....I'm really hoping he'll do the same for TLJ.

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Post by Kyla Ren on Mon 18 Sep - 7:44

EchoBase wrote:My heart just melted


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These are awesome! Smile  Where are they from?  Do you have a link to the video? Smile
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Post by EchoBase on Mon 18 Sep - 8:09

Kyla Ren wrote:
EchoBase wrote:My heart just melted


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These are awesome! Smile  Where are they from?  Do you have a link to the video? Smile
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No, unfortunately not. I saw them on twitter. Here's the link https://twitter.com/kylosjedi/status/907864135018455040
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Post by Acritiqua on Mon 18 Sep - 18:15

Okay, Rian reminds me of Rey in that pose, like he's hanging over the ledge and he looks like he's swooning...

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Post by DarthRen on Mon 18 Sep - 18:48

Acritiqua wrote:Okay, Rian reminds me of Rey in that pose, like he's hanging over the ledge and he looks like he's swooning...

Just kidding!
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So that's why he's praising Kylo so much. Rian channeling his inner Rey spirit. Devil.
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Post by snufkin on Mon 18 Sep - 19:24

Next question when it comes to publication schedules and trying to keep secrets, but The Art of The Last Jedi is coming out same day as the film, 15 December.



What content is in there if they feel comfortable with having that book be sent out to the printers and translators/international publication market, but yet they're too paranoid about spoilers slipping out from the novelizations if they do the production phase before the movie comes out?

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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Mon 18 Sep - 19:59

snufkin wrote:Next question when it comes to publication schedules and trying to keep secrets, but The Art of The Last Jedi is coming out same day as the film, 15 December.



What content is in there if they feel comfortable with having that book be sent out to the printers and translators/international publication market, but yet they're too paranoid about spoilers slipping out from the novelizations if they do the production phase before the movie comes out?

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That's a good question. I know that some of the tie-in publications that are coming out December 15th aren't likely to be too spoilery, so it makes sense why they'd release them then. e.g. I can't imagine "Chewie and the Porgs" having much in the way of spoilers, and that "Cobalt Squadron" will likely just flesh out the backstories for Rose and Paige.

With the Art of TLJ... I guess if the big surprise(s) come late enough in the movie, that book can focus on art from before the big reveal(s) or choose art that works around those secrets. It's probably easier to hide a big spoiler with art selections than in a narrative that tells the entire story of the film.

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Post by snufkin on Mon 18 Sep - 20:43

@ISeeanIsland - that's the main question which has been knocking around in my brain with that announcement. They're releasing so many tie-in publications, yet the novels for the movie itself - the central story everything else is based on - are embargoed until Q2 2018. Why? It's a given that people will try too spoil/leak. But if so many fans are arguing it'll all be a big boring re-hash and we're getting bits and pieces from the Vanity Fair and Entertainment Weekly spreads, what's there to keep from getting spoiled? I was also thinking of the deep dives both @Piper Maru and @nonesuch have done about the art book for TFA. Which had concept art for older Luke as a darker, almost Old Testament like character and which didn't feature the original concept art of the Jedi Killer embracing Kira from behind. It's an interesting question (and one Lucasfilm is mum about) of what makes the cut in these books.
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Post by Tex on Mon 18 Sep - 21:25

snufkin wrote:@Tex - until proven otherwise, I'm going with the argument that some of it was her idea because pre-paternity reveal, she joked to Rolling Stone magazine that if there was going to be a sex scene, it should be Vader and Leia where he'd do "awful, kinky things to her that she'd love and afterwards they'd be in bed with her asleep and him smoking a cigarette." And around the time she signed on for TFA, before it was announced, she was on Craig Ferguson's old show joking with him about Star Wars porn. With a lot of heavy breathing and "when you feel the Force, you really feel it. You also need lubricant." Like tell me she wasn't cracking jokes about that during production, writing, and the screening she did with the two leads, one of whom plays her son.

Glad to see your okay, I've been getting some interesting reports from relatives there about the aftermath.
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I'd also like to think that some of it was her idea too. I don't know how much or how early she was brought into the writing process, but perhaps she had a little Cheshire grin when they decided to bring Adam Driver on as her naughty, dark sider son, given his background on Girls, which is what he was mostly know for at that point. His casting to me personally is significant evidence for the character ending up Rey's romantic interest. Not only can you pass him off as Leia and Han's kid, but he's got the acting chops to take a dis-likable character, who was the leads romantic interest on Girls and make you actually care about him and give him some depth.

In heaven she'll be rubbing her hands together in glee as the big Reylo reveal bowls over the GA come December lol
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Post by Irina de France on Mon 18 Sep - 21:27

I haven't got the TFA artbook (I am expecting it next Wednesday!), but I don't know to what extent it got spoilery? For the TLJ artbook, we can be sure we'll see a lot of scenery (Ahch-To, Canto Bight, Crait), and probably Rose's evolution through different concepts and all, but... yeah. I'll have to check out the TFA artbook when I'll get it.
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Post by snufkin on Mon 18 Sep - 23:36

Tex wrote:@snufkin

I'd also like to think that some of it was her idea too. I don't know how much or how early she was brought into the writing process, but perhaps she had a little Cheshire grin when they decided to bring Adam Driver on as her naughty, dark sider son, given his background on Girls, which is what he was mostly know for at that point. His casting to me personally is significant evidence for the character ending up Rey's romantic interest. Not only can you pass him off as Leia and Han's kid, but he's got the acting chops to take a dis-likable character, who was the leads romantic interest on Girls and make you actually care about him and give him some depth.

In heaven she'll be rubbing her hands together in glee as the big Reylo reveal bowls over the GA come December lol

We can only guess and it's a loss we'll never the full extent of her thoughts about the entire trilogy. Because she wasn't holding back in her last interviews about how she felt about how gender was handled in the OT as "the only woman in the galaxy." Or being a FS character but "even in space there's a double standard for women." Like you know there were discussions between her and Lucasfilm's management team. Which is more predominantly female than the standard for the industry. Besides the more high profile female leads in the ST simply being more of the Only Girl trope in the PT and OT is that there are just more women in general in the background and supporting roles. But she was also hilariously filthy too and making cracks like how Leia dumped Han for being bad in bed. So we can only imagine what she said, especially while working with Rian Johnson on the script, about the heroine/villain relationship in the trilogy. Which is heart breaking because it'd be filthy and brilliant.
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Post by Kyla Ren on Mon 18 Sep - 23:37

EchoBase wrote:
Kyla Ren wrote:
EchoBase wrote:My heart just melted


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These are awesome! Smile  Where are they from?  Do you have a link to the video? Smile
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No, unfortunately not. I saw them on twitter. Here's the link https://twitter.com/kylosjedi/status/907864135018455040
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Thanks for the link.  I've been browsing through it and there are some interesting clips and pictures of Adam/Kylo among other things. Smile
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Post by Lily Snape on Tue 19 Sep - 3:30

snufkin wrote:Next question when it comes to publication schedules and trying to keep secrets, but The Art of The Last Jedi is coming out same day as the film, 15 December.



What content is in there if they feel comfortable with having that book be sent out to the printers and translators/international publication market, but yet they're too paranoid about spoilers slipping out from the novelizations if they do the production phase before the movie comes out?

@snufkin

The "Art of" books are often settings, vehicles, and costumes, sketches of new characters...maybe they figured out how to include those things without giving much away.  Sketches of Kylo's new look or the planet of Crait, minus context, would be pretty innocuous from a spoiler POV.  That's my best guess, anyway.
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Post by snufkin on Tue 19 Sep - 3:39

@Lily Snape - that's interesting and you may be right. They've definitely haven't shown anything with Kylo other than the one saber shot in the teaser, moping around with greasy hair, and his bad a** new ship. It'll be interesting to see on the day of release, what is in there from the movie. Like what will they show for the flashbacks for Ben gets sent off to Uncle Luke's Bible Camp and whatever happened for him to kill the other followers/torch the place? Or for the Ache-to part of the story other than "Luke is kind of annoyed with this girl who shows up on his front porch?" Not that the TFA trailer actually spoiled anything (and I do have to give them credit for the trailers not spoiling everything when that's the trend these days), but we'll have to see what's in the trailer they finally release in terms of anything that could be too much information.
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Post by Lily Snape on Tue 19 Sep - 5:47

snufkin wrote:@Lily Snape - that's interesting and you may be right. They've definitely haven't shown anything with Kylo other than the one saber shot in the teaser, moping around with greasy hair, and his bad a** new ship. It'll be interesting to see on the day of release, what is in there from the movie. Like what will they show for the flashbacks for Ben gets sent off to Uncle Luke's Bible Camp and whatever happened for him to kill the other followers/torch the place? Or for the Ache-to part of the story other than "Luke is kind of annoyed with this girl who shows up on his front porch?" Not that the TFA trailer actually spoiled anything (and I do have to give them credit for the trailers not spoiling everything when that's the trend these days), but we'll have to see what's in the trailer they finally release in terms of anything that could be too much information.
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I forgot to say-- and the "Art of" books often contain discarded ideas, early sketches that didn't get used, Kylo looking like something out of an Iron Maiden video...as opposed to a novel that reveals the actual plot.  You can fill one of those books with random ideas sketched on a napkin that never took off anywhere, or old sketches by Ralph McQuarrie that inspired one of the scenes.  There is so much spoiler-free art to be found.  Smile

Random unrelated thought re: the actual plot-- after Carrie Fisher's death, things had to be rewritten for IX, and we aren't sure how much tinkering had to be done with VIII.  Obviously I'm on board Kylo's redemption train, and I think that if they write her out between 8 and 9, or at the end of 8 or beginning of 9, she would go to her death with her son still unredeemed if they didn't show Kylo turning by the end of this film.  Narratively, I think it just makes way too much sense for her to be alive to know that he has come back, even if it's only just remotely through the Force.  And given the GA's view of Kylo ("He killed Han F*****g Solo!"), I do think Kylo's redemption will be one of the surprises they keep mentioning.
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Post by snufkin on Tue 19 Sep - 6:37

@Lily Snape - They blatantly admitted in the BTS video that they mined the (Imperial) archives in both Marin and London for previous productions and used some of the discarded concepts for TFA and R1. So they are using some discarded stuff, whether or not it makes it into the books. Though the whole business of it just being the early iterations of an idea versus the actual final art design, I'd definitely skim it out of curiosity but I wouldn't spend $$$ on it. I think that makes me different from your typical Star Wars fan, they know that the really committed fans are completists, so they'll buy it regardless of how much the art ties in with the final product.

Even prior to Carrie Fisher's death, most of us here were already like "give the lady her kid back, she had her whole damn planet blown up and marriage fall apart." Although you can guess if he does get his sh*t together in the next movie and starts doing right by his crimes, a lot of fans will complain that they only changed things because she passed away. But the redemption, or at least regrets what he did and realized how truly f**ked he is with Snoke as his boss and wants out, will surprise a lot of the audience. And if Luke's more the dark, weird old man instead of how people expect he's this super groovy and upbeat church pastor.
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Post by motherofpearl1 on Tue 19 Sep - 7:42

Well, the way Luke is wearing near black in later scenes speaks volumes to me.
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Post by LastCrusadeLeft on Tue 19 Sep - 9:01


Is this the only picture of Luke's compass (besides the symbols in that coloring book) we have so far or did I miss something?  Confus
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Post by RandomObserver on Tue 19 Sep - 17:10

Lily Snape wrote:
snufkin wrote:@Lily Snape - that's interesting and you may be right. They've definitely haven't shown anything with Kylo other than the one saber shot in the teaser, moping around with greasy hair, and his bad a** new ship. It'll be interesting to see on the day of release, what is in there from the movie. Like what will they show for the flashbacks for Ben gets sent off to Uncle Luke's Bible Camp and whatever happened for him to kill the other followers/torch the place? Or for the Ache-to part of the story other than "Luke is kind of annoyed with this girl who shows up on his front porch?" Not that the TFA trailer actually spoiled anything (and I do have to give them credit for the trailers not spoiling everything when that's the trend these days), but we'll have to see what's in the trailer they finally release in terms of anything that could be too much information.
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I forgot to say-- and the "Art of" books often contain discarded ideas, early sketches that didn't get used, Kylo looking like something out of an Iron Maiden video...as opposed to a novel that reveals the actual plot.  You can fill one of those books with random ideas sketched on a napkin that never took off anywhere, or old sketches by Ralph McQuarrie that inspired one of the scenes.  There is so much spoiler-free art to be found.  Smile

Random unrelated thought re: the actual plot-- after Carrie Fisher's death, things had to be rewritten for IX, and we aren't sure how much tinkering had to be done with VIII.  Obviously I'm on board Kylo's redemption train, and I think that if they write her out between 8 and 9, or at the end of 8 or beginning of 9, she would go to her death with her son still unredeemed if they didn't show Kylo turning by the end of this film.  Narratively, I think it just makes way too much sense for her to be alive to know that he has come back, even if it's only just remotely through the Force.  And given the GA's view of Kylo ("He killed Han F*****g Solo!"), I do think Kylo's redemption will be one of the surprises they keep mentioning.
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I always felt like there was something missing from the death scene with Han, like there was more to it than meets the eye. What parent lovingly touches his son's face as he's getting offed? I think that'll be explored more and we'll find out there was a deeper context at work. I'm praying they have a Leia/Ben reunion moment in TLJ. Hopefully it was filmed before her untimely passing.
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Post by fuhry on Tue 19 Sep - 17:58

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I think that some kind of backstory is going to lend all kinds of illumination to that moment and Han's actions in TFA. I think that any redemption arc of Kylo has to involve the discovery that Han did some very bad things. I know everyone loves Han Solo, but I think we're going to learn that Han's heroic turn in the OT, and in TFA are in fact isolated incidents in a dishonest, scoundrel lifestyle that has hurt a lot of people. That doesn't excuse what Kylo did, but I think putting it in the perspective that Han's dishonorable actions were eventually going to lead to his demise (and we see the walls closing in on him on his freighter) allows for Kylo's redemption to be possibly accepted by Rey - particularly if we learn that Han had something to do with Rey's abandonment. Which wouldn't necessarily be out of character for him.


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Post by EchoBase on Tue 19 Sep - 19:22

http://collider.com/star-wars-the-last-jedi-new-images/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=social

The images aren't really new, but in hi-res, especially "regretful Kylo". Wink.

According to Collider this should be the synopsis of TLJ

"In Lucasfilm’s Star Wars: The Last Jedi, the Skywalker saga continues as the heroes of The Force Awakens join the galactic legends in an epic adventure that unlocks age-old mysteries of the Force and shocking revelations of the past. Star Wars: The Last Jedi opens in U.S. theaters on December 15, 2017."

Kinda remind me of this Japanese (?) flyer, but no one really took it serious back then (I mean the part with "the shocking revelations of the past).
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Post by Darth_Awakened on Tue 19 Sep - 19:25

EchoBase wrote:http://collider.com/star-wars-the-last-jedi-new-images/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=social

The images aren't really new, but in hi-res, especially "regretful Kylo". Wink.

According to Collider this should be the synopsis of TLJ

"In Lucasfilm’s Star Wars: The Last Jedi, the Skywalker saga continues as the heroes of The Force Awakens join the galactic legends in an epic adventure that unlocks age-old mysteries of the Force and shocking revelations of the past. Star Wars: The Last Jedi opens in U.S. theaters on December 15, 2017."

Kinda remind me of this Japanese (?) flyer, but no one really took it serious back then (I mean the part with "the shocking revelations of the past).
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That synopsis was already posted somewhere - but kill me if I know where.

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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Tue 19 Sep - 19:46

Darth_Awakened wrote:
EchoBase wrote:http://collider.com/star-wars-the-last-jedi-new-images/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=social

The images aren't really new, but in hi-res, especially "regretful Kylo". Wink.

According to Collider this should be the synopsis of TLJ

"In Lucasfilm’s Star Wars: The Last Jedi, the Skywalker saga continues as the heroes of The Force Awakens join the galactic legends in an epic adventure that unlocks age-old mysteries of the Force and shocking revelations of the past. Star Wars: The Last Jedi opens in U.S. theaters on December 15, 2017."

Kinda remind me of this Japanese (?) flyer, but no one really took it serious back then (I mean the part with "the shocking revelations of the past).
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That synopsis was already posted somewhere - but kill me if I know where.
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If I recall, LF released the official synopsis around D23. It's been posted in a number of places since then.

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Post by Tex on Tue 19 Sep - 20:10

Darth_Awakened wrote:
EchoBase wrote:http://collider.com/star-wars-the-last-jedi-new-images/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=social

The images aren't really new, but in hi-res, especially "regretful Kylo". Wink.

According to Collider this should be the synopsis of TLJ

"In Lucasfilm’s Star Wars: The Last Jedi, the Skywalker saga continues as the heroes of The Force Awakens join the galactic legends in an epic adventure that unlocks age-old mysteries of the Force and shocking revelations of the past. Star Wars: The Last Jedi opens in U.S. theaters on December 15, 2017."

Kinda remind me of this Japanese (?) flyer, but no one really took it serious back then (I mean the part with "the shocking revelations of the past).
@EchoBase

That synopsis was already posted somewhere - but kill me if I know where.
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It took a little digging, but I found the original post by @EchoBase and translated by @shii405.

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EchoBase wrote:I not know if this is legit, found this on twitter, looks cool. Anyone speaking Japanese here?


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It's an official promotional teaser leaflet released by the Japanese distributor.

TRANSLATION:

The Most Shocking Truth in Star Wars History Will Soon be Revealed!!

A new generation of tale on light and dark, virtue and evil has begun with the death of Han Solo.

In the world where First Order and the Resistance are fighting against each other in a war, the heroine, Rey, had her Force awaken.

What will happen to the galaxy when Rey and the one and only survivor of the Jedi knight, Luke Skywalker, meet?

Kylo Ren, who has fallen to the dark side of the Force and killed his father, Han Solo. As a successor of his grandfather, Darth Vader, and a high rank in the First Order, where will his ambition lead him to?

Furthermore, Kylo Ren's mother, the leader of the Resistance, Leia, Poe, Finn, and BB-8, will embark on a new mission!

The story has finally begun and it will lead to a climax scene full of mystery!

December 15. Be ready for the shocking truth surpassing the previous stories!

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Is TLJ post production done? Has the film been completed? I'm just wondering if the writer has watched the whole movie or they only wrote what Lucasfilm told them to write... hm...
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