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Post by SoloSideCousin on Fri 19 May - 15:47

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Tex wrote:I feel like we're going in circles here. Razz We talk ourselves up with all this amazing analysis and evidence, but at the end of the day there is just that little shred of doubt that keeps nagging at all of us. Unfortunately, it will continue to fester in the back of our minds until we get infallible proof. I want to be optimistic, but there are so many ways this could go down. I mean Rey could just adopt the name Skywalker at the end of the trilogy for all we know.

I personally prescribe to the idea that Kylo will have to father a child to continue the Skywalker lineage. It makes the most logical sense to have him paired with Rey. So I agree with Kylo Men’s original post and with what IoJovi and ISeeAnIsland added. It could be an iconic love story. There is so much potential. It would be an utter waste not to explore that route.  

Impossible to see the future is.
@Tex

I don't have any doubt that Rey and Kylo is the big romance of this trilogy.

Some people on Tumblr and other places fear that Disney could back off due to the backlash, but the reality is that the backlash is from a tiny minority that's bound to complain regardless. GA have nothing against Reylo. It's the way to make the trilogy memorable. The OT was mostly memorable because of the complex father-son dynamic, and the redemption. Without Rey and Kylo having a romance, the ST will be remembered for what?

So really, there shouldn't be the least shred of a doubt that Rey and Kylo as romantic is the big relationship in this trilogy.

And I agree with the reproduction imperative. Wow, I love the term!

@AceofWands

Exactly, re: making the trilogy memorable.

I'm reading The War of Art by Steven Pressfield. The premise is that if there's something big and important you should be doing, you're likely to feel resistance to doing it. You have an inner resistance to grabbing the bull by its horns and dealing with something so significant. The bigger the project, the more important the goal, the greater the resistance.

I think something related is going on here. People are very keen to resort to the safest possible options in their hopes and predictions. Rey finds out she's Luke's daughter, she trains for a bit (Dagobah 2.0), then goes back to Finn & Co. to have some fun adventures, and kicks Kylo's a** in a climactic duel. Then the same thing happens all over again in IX. Anything bigger and bolder meets with strong resistance. And it isn't just Reylo that meets with resistance; it's anything with an actual story attached to it. Because story requires conflict and conflict requires discomfort and risk.

The backlash is actually a good indicator of what's worth doing, IMO.
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Re: The Reproductive Imperative

Post by ISeeAnIsland on Fri 19 May - 17:25

I was thinking about something last night, as far as future trilogies or "Skywalker saga" characters go...

It's sounding more and more like Luke is going to have a huge part in the ST going forward, even if it is "Rey's story".

It would be a bit of a shame if they don't continue to have more movies with the young cast after the ST, given that it feels like the ST is being set up as a bit of a transition period. I totally get that they're "handing off" the movies from Luke & co, but it would be a bummer to create these great characters like Kylo and Rey and never use them in anything again post-ST. I'd really like to see them get a chance to shine in something on their own.

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Re: The Reproductive Imperative

Post by vaderito on Fri 19 May - 17:37

ISeeAnIsland wrote:I was thinking about something last night, as far as future trilogies or "Skywalker saga" characters go...

It's sounding more and more like Luke is going to have a huge part in the ST going forward, even if it is "Rey's story".

It would be a bit of a shame if they don't continue to have more movies with the young cast after the ST, given that it feels like the ST is being set up as a bit of a transition period. I totally get that they're "handing off" the movies from Luke & co, but it would be a bummer to create these great characters like Kylo and Rey and never use them in anything again post-ST. I'd really like to see them get a chance to shine in something on their own.
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I think that opportunities are endless now. They could be used in spin-offs. They could be used in Saga movies. I wish LF has balls and make a huge jump in the future after ST or ST period and bring Ben and Rey into those storylines, in the world that was Skywalker-less for who knows how long.
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Re: The Reproductive Imperative

Post by SoloSideCousin on Fri 19 May - 18:52

ISeeAnIsland wrote:I was thinking about something last night, as far as future trilogies or "Skywalker saga" characters go...

It's sounding more and more like Luke is going to have a huge part in the ST going forward, even if it is "Rey's story".

It would be a bit of a shame if they don't continue to have more movies with the young cast after the ST, given that it feels like the ST is being set up as a bit of a transition period. I totally get that they're "handing off" the movies from Luke & co, but it would be a bummer to create these great characters like Kylo and Rey and never use them in anything again post-ST. I'd really like to see them get a chance to shine in something on their own.
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Sing it sister!!! Frankly, for as much as I love the OT3, none of those characters was ever as complex as Kylo already is and Rey has great potential to be. Also, for as much as I love the OT3 actors and find them to be very talented, particularly Harrison Ford, none of them have ever achieved the incredibly nuanced and complex performances that Adam Driver and Oscar Isaac have already achieved, and Daisy and John have the potential to achieve.

AD has already been cast by Soderbergh, Scorsese and the Coen Brothers (nevermind Clint Eastwood and Spielberg in small roles where AD had to share the screen with people like Daniel Day-Lewis and Leo). Oscar Isaac carried a whole movie for the Coen Brothers when he was relatively unknown and has given incredible performances in indies like A Most Violent Year. Kenneth Branaugh, a great actor/director in his own right has hired Daisy. Kathryn Bigelow has hired John as a lead. After all these years and all his success, HF has only been hired by a couple of the "auteur-ish" greats, namely Spielberg and Mike Nichols, and even Spielberg never used him for his most impressive works. Those roles went to the likes of Liam Neeson and Tom Hanks.

IOW the current cast has *enormous* potential. Every single one of them seems to have to potential to be huge standouts (in the Robert Downey Jr or Hugh Jackman vein) or beyond in any franchise future. To me it has always just seemed insane for the Disney/LF to "choose to" let these people go in the name of some previous GL inspired structure or pattern when these characters and actors have more potential than any have in the last 40 years.

Also, let's just think of mixed reception some other casting and characterization decisions have received for other franchises. There is not a bit of that here. Why cede the market to lesser product when you have the potential to really rule the franchises?

I just know that if I were KK magically on the executive team *all* of them would be signed for more movies and I would be pushing for scripts to create spinoff trajectories for each one of them and together.
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Re: The Reproductive Imperative

Post by snufkin on Fri 19 May - 18:55

ISeeAnIsland wrote:I was thinking about something last night, as far as future trilogies or "Skywalker saga" characters go...

It's sounding more and more like Luke is going to have a huge part in the ST going forward, even if it is "Rey's story".

It would be a bit of a shame if they don't continue to have more movies with the young cast after the ST, given that it feels like the ST is being set up as a bit of a transition period. I totally get that they're "handing off" the movies from Luke & co, but it would be a bummer to create these great characters like Kylo and Rey and never use them in anything again post-ST. I'd really like to see them get a chance to shine in something on their own.
@ISeeAnIsland

I'd be willing to bet that along with whomever Rey's parents turn out to be and what they were up to before disappearing, there are plans for future comic books and tie-in novels about those characters in the works. The cast might be amenable in the future to doing more onscreen roles because that's $$$ to be used for other more personal projects or charity work.
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Re: The Reproductive Imperative

Post by Piper Maru on Fri 19 May - 18:58

SoloSideCousin wrote:
ISeeAnIsland wrote:I was thinking about something last night, as far as future trilogies or "Skywalker saga" characters go...

It's sounding more and more like Luke is going to have a huge part in the ST going forward, even if it is "Rey's story".

It would be a bit of a shame if they don't continue to have more movies with the young cast after the ST, given that it feels like the ST is being set up as a bit of a transition period. I totally get that they're "handing off" the movies from Luke & co, but it would be a bummer to create these great characters like Kylo and Rey and never use them in anything again post-ST. I'd really like to see them get a chance to shine in something on their own.
@ISeeAnIsland

Sing it sister!!! Frankly, for as much as I love the OT3, none of those characters was ever as complex as Kylo already is and Rey has great potential to be. Also, for as much as I love the OT3 actors and find them to be very talented, particularly Harrison Ford, none of them have ever achieved the incredibly nuanced and complex performances that Adam Driver and Oscar Isaac have already achieved, and Daisy and John have the potential to achieve.

AD has already been cast by Soderbergh, Scorsese and the Coen Brothers (nevermind Clint Eastwood and Spielberg in small roles where AD had to share the screen with people like Daniel Day-Lewis and Leo). Oscar Isaac carried a whole movie for the Coen Brothers when he was relatively unknown and has given incredible performances in indies like A Most Violent Year. Kenneth Branaugh, a great actor/director in his own right has hired Daisy. Kathryn Bigelow has hired John as a lead. After all these years and all his success, HF has only been hired by a couple of the "auteur-ish" greats, namely Spielberg and Mike Nichols, and even Spielberg never used him for his most impressive works. Those roles went to the likes of Liam Neeson and Tom Hanks.

IOW the current cast has *enormous* potential. Every single one of them seems to have to potential to be huge standouts (in the Robert Downey Jr or Hugh Jackman vein) or beyond in any franchise future. To me it has always just seemed insane for the Disney/LF to "choose to" let these people go in the name of some previous GL inspired structure or pattern when these characters and actors have more potential than any have in the last 40 years.

Also, let's just think of mixed reception some other casting and characterization decisions have received for other franchises. There is not a bit of that here. Why cede the market to lesser product when you have the potential to really rule the franchises?

I just know that if I were KK magically on the executive team *all* of them would be signed for more movies and I would be pushing for scripts to create spinoff trajectories for each one of them and together.
@SoloSideCousin

Agree 100% about the cast. Adam Driver is already one of the huge promises of Hollywood and definitely Academy Award material, and the same goes for Oscar Isaac. Boyega and Daisy are still newbies, but extremely talented. It would be a waste to let them go after the sequel. Or worse: it would be a waste to use such gifted actors in a vanilla story that is nothing more than a copy of the OT. They deserve a more nuanced and complex narrative, and I hope Lucasfilm is aware of that.
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Re: The Reproductive Imperative

Post by Helix on Fri 19 May - 19:02

That's what I really like about the ST is the depth. The characters have so much potential and depth that isn't in the OT. It's also why other sites bore me because people don't want to talk about that depth, just the really basic plot points and ideas.
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Re: The Reproductive Imperative

Post by ISeeAnIsland on Fri 19 May - 19:16

snufkin wrote:
ISeeAnIsland wrote:I was thinking about something last night, as far as future trilogies or "Skywalker saga" characters go...

It's sounding more and more like Luke is going to have a huge part in the ST going forward, even if it is "Rey's story".

It would be a bit of a shame if they don't continue to have more movies with the young cast after the ST, given that it feels like the ST is being set up as a bit of a transition period. I totally get that they're "handing off" the movies from Luke & co, but it would be a bummer to create these great characters like Kylo and Rey and never use them in anything again post-ST. I'd really like to see them get a chance to shine in something on their own.
@ISeeAnIsland

I'd be willing to bet that along with whomever Rey's parents turn out to be and what they were up to before disappearing, there are plans for future comic books and tie-in novels about those characters in the works. The cast might be amenable in the future to doing more onscreen roles because that's $$$ to be used for other more personal projects or charity work.
@snufkin

Oh yeah, and Mark Hamill pretty much said as much at Celebration--although his comment was in relation to what Luke was up to between RoTJ and TFA. But I can't see them not doing the same for Rey's parents (especially when Galen Erso got his own spinoff novel).

And as far as future movies go... I had been pretty skeptical about Adam Driver coming back for another trilogy, given his private nature, but he seems to be warming up to fame (and hell, he did that Snickers commercial), so while he might not ever commit another 6-9 years of his life to a full-on trilogy, I could see him going the Hugh Jackman route and do a Wolverine-esque spin-off or two.

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Re: The Reproductive Imperative

Post by snufkin on Fri 19 May - 19:25

@ISeeAnIsland - I used to work with a woman who was a huge musical theater fan and any time Jackman appeared on Broadway, she'd fly out to New York to see the show. She could care less about X-Man, but said that she figured he did those movies in part because it gave him the financial resources and name recognition to get those shows produced.

Yeah it's a slightly cynical conclusion on my part, but we know that LF was already a merchandising juggernaut and even moreso under Disney. So there's simply no way in Hell just based on past behavior, let alone how the bulk of Jyn's story was deferred to novels, that they're just going to have it turn out that Rey's parents were a pair of nobodies. They hopefully won't repeat a similar story to what was created for R1 (and everything that turned out for Jyn was close to what I assumed would be Rey's backstory after my first viewing), but it has to be interesting people doing something significant which ties into the main Force plot for the ST. Ergo a big part of why I think her parents got mixed up with Snoke and the FO and were killed as a result. That and it'll be tied in with Kylo finally breaking with Snoke and motivation/sympathy towards allying with Rey.
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Re: The Reproductive Imperative

Post by snufkin on Sat 20 May - 0:58

Friend just posted this to Facebook and it seems on target (I'd go with "I've got a bad feeling about this" or "I can show you the ways of the Force.")


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Post by Cowgirlsamurai on Sat 20 May - 1:25

@snufkin I'm going with "Do or do not. There is no try." Razz
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Post by Armadeus on Sat 20 May - 3:30

snufkin wrote:Friend just posted this to Facebook and it seems on target (I'd go with "I've got a bad feeling about this" or "I can show you the ways of the Force.")



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Post by WhatGirl on Sat 20 May - 3:41

snufkin wrote:Friend just posted this to Facebook and it seems on target (I'd go with "I've got a bad feeling about this" or "I can show you the ways of the Force.")


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Post by Darth_Awakened on Sat 20 May - 5:35

"I'am your father!"
(daddy kink)

Just joking.
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Re: The Reproductive Imperative

Post by DarthRen on Sat 20 May - 8:16

AceofWands wrote:
Tex wrote:I feel like we're going in circles here. Razz We talk ourselves up with all this amazing analysis and evidence, but at the end of the day there is just that little shred of doubt that keeps nagging at all of us. Unfortunately, it will continue to fester in the back of our minds until we get infallible proof. I want to be optimistic, but there are so many ways this could go down. I mean Rey could just adopt the name Skywalker at the end of the trilogy for all we know.

I personally prescribe to the idea that Kylo will have to father a child to continue the Skywalker lineage. It makes the most logical sense to have him paired with Rey. So I agree with Kylo Men’s original post and with what IoJovi and ISeeAnIsland added. It could be an iconic love story. There is so much potential. It would be an utter waste not to explore that route.  

Impossible to see the future is.
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I don't have any doubt that Rey and Kylo is the big romance of this trilogy.

Some people on Tumblr and other places fear that Disney could back off due to the backlash, but the reality is that the backlash is from a tiny minority that's bound to complain regardless. GA have nothing against Reylo. It's the way to make the trilogy memorable. The OT was mostly memorable because of the complex father-son dynamic, and the redemption. Without Rey and Kylo having a romance, the ST will be remembered for what?

So really, there shouldn't be the least shred of a doubt that Rey and Kylo as romantic is the big relationship in this trilogy.

And I agree with the reproduction imperative. Wow, I love the term!

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Death of Han Solo.
Fall of Kylo Ren and redemption of Ben Solo.
Snoke and his plan we don't know yet.
Jedi's might go different ways.
Purpose of the Force and what really were Luke and Ben doing years ago before these events which it's tied into.
Leia's arc and for that matter Luke's.
New generations of heroes Poe, Finn are rising throught the ranks of Ressistance.
Rey itself.

While I hope for Kylo/Ben and Rey romance. There's quite a bit of things this ST trilogy will be remembered for by the fans.
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Re: The Reproductive Imperative

Post by AceofWands on Sat 20 May - 12:55

DarthRen wrote:
AceofWands wrote:

I don't have any doubt that Rey and Kylo is the big romance of this trilogy.

Some people on Tumblr and other places fear that Disney could back off due to the backlash, but the reality is that the backlash is from a tiny minority that's bound to complain regardless. GA have nothing against Reylo. It's the way to make the trilogy memorable. The OT was mostly memorable because of the complex father-son dynamic, and the redemption. Without Rey and Kylo having a romance, the ST will be remembered for what?

So really, there shouldn't be the least shred of a doubt that Rey and Kylo as romantic is the big relationship in this trilogy.

And I agree with the reproduction imperative. Wow, I love the term!

@AceofWands

Death of Han Solo.
Fall of Kylo Ren and redemption of Ben Solo.
Snoke and his plan we don't know yet.
Jedi's might go different ways.
Purpose of the Force and what really were Luke and Ben doing years ago before these events which it's tied into.
Leia's arc and for that matter Luke's.
New generations of heroes Poe, Finn are rising throught the ranks of Ressistance.
Rey itself.

While I hope for Kylo/Ben and Rey romance. There's quite a bit of things this ST trilogy will be remembered for by the fans.
@DarthRen

I think there's a difference between a movie series having things people remember are in it and a movie series being memorable.

Had the OT not had the father-son dynamic, I'm sure people would still remember the trench run, the cool princess, the lightsabers and the force, and for sure it would have been a beloved sci-fi series, but I really doubt it would have had the impact it had.

A movie (or movie series) to be memorable, needs to have an emotional impact. From the list of topics you posted, most of them don't have any emotional impact and are not that different from other movies.

The only one that I agree could have an emotional impact is Kylo's redemption. It's sad now cause I don't think we'll have Leia, and a mother-son reunion and perhaps forgiveness could be epic, but there's still the Luke-Kylo relationship. Ok, that could be interesting and memorable on its own without Reylo, but then if Rey is not involved in the series' most important arc, what's her role then? Wasn't she supposed to be the protagonist? It doesn't make a lot of sense. And her involvement needs to be emotional. Since she's not his family (which could have been cool), what's it then?

The PT lacks such an emotional impact. While lots of people love it and there's a generation that grew up with it and might not even know the OT, it's still super tied to the mythos of the OT. Anakin's complex relationship with Obi-Wan is kind of cool, but I feel it was under explored. TCW explores it beautifully, though. Anyways, yes, people remember the battle droids, people remember the cringeworthy dialogue, damn it "I hate sand" might be one of the most famous lines in cinema history! Very Happy People remember the Mustafar fight (epic in its own way), people remember Darth Maul. It's still different from being memorable.
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Post by MeadowofAshes on Mon 22 May - 23:38

"At that speed, do you think you'll be able to pull out in time?" JK Very Happy

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Post by SheLitAFire on Tue 23 May - 3:20

MeadowofAshes wrote:"At that speed, do you think you'll be able to pull out in time?" JK Very Happy

"Don't be afraid; I feel it too."
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Post by adamdrivershair on Wed 2 Aug - 16:04

How confident are you guys that there will indeed be Skywalker-focused stories after 9? @ISeeAnIsland I agree that it doesn't make sense for Lucasfilm to close things off at the end of the ST, given how much money they've invested. But Plotgate proved to me that TPTB aren't beyond making surprising choices in the name of artistic integrity.

Maybe they agree with the numerous fanboys who all want the Skywalker saga to wrap up with 9, for storytelling's sake. Maybe KK isn't obscuring the truth when she says that they need to figure out whether there is actually a story worth telling beyond 9 - that it's not a foregone conclusion that there would be more Skywalker stories just because of the money they could make.
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Post by IoJovi on Wed 2 Aug - 16:11

adamdrivershair wrote:How confident are you guys that there will indeed be Skywalker-focused stories after 9? @ISeeAnIsland I agree that it doesn't make sense for Lucasfilm to close things off at the end of the ST, given how much money they've invested. But Plotgate proved to me that TPTB aren't beyond making surprising choices in the name of artistic integrity.

Maybe they agree with the numerous fanboys who all want the Skywalker saga to wrap up with 9, for storytelling's sake. Maybe KK isn't obscuring the truth when she says that they need to figure out whether there is actually a story worth telling beyond 9 - that it's not a foregone conclusion that there would be more Skywalker stories just because of the money they could make.
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Yeah that quote from KK certainly doesn't give me the warm fuzzies that future Skywalkers are guarenteed, but what I wouldn't give for a trilogy that revolves around Rey and Ben's kids, boy(s) or girl(s).  It's also said twins tend skip a generations, so in this case, twins would be likely for them.  Oh boy, I'm giving myself the feels right now...  I need this in my life!!!  Laughing

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Post by Cowgirlsamurai on Wed 2 Aug - 16:12

adamdrivershair wrote:How confident are you guys that there will indeed be Skywalker-focused stories after 9? @ISeeAnIsland I agree that it doesn't make sense for Lucasfilm to close things off at the end of the ST, given how much money they've invested. But Plotgate proved to me that TPTB aren't beyond making surprising choices in the name of artistic integrity.

Maybe they agree with the numerous fanboys who all want the Skywalker saga to wrap up with 9, for storytelling's sake. Maybe KK isn't obscuring the truth when she says that they need to figure out whether there is actually a story worth telling beyond 9 - that it's not a foregone conclusion that there would be more Skywalker stories just because of the money they could make.
@adamdrivershair

I think with all the emphasis on "The Skywalker Saga," it won't end after 9. Luke might not appear anymore, but somehow there has to either be a continuation of Kylo's story, or a new generation. That's my guess.
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Post by Mrs Ben Solo on Wed 2 Aug - 16:13

adamdrivershair wrote:How confident are you guys that there will indeed be Skywalker-focused stories after 9? @ISeeAnIsland I agree that it doesn't make sense for Lucasfilm to close things off at the end of the ST, given how much money they've invested. But Plotgate proved to me that TPTB aren't beyond making surprising choices in the name of artistic integrity.

Maybe they agree with the numerous fanboys who all want the Skywalker saga to wrap up with 9, for storytelling's sake. Maybe KK isn't obscuring the truth when she says that they need to figure out whether there is actually a story worth telling beyond 9 - that it's not a foregone conclusion that there would be more Skywalker stories just because of the money they could make.
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At present, I'm thinking they'll leave things open-ended with Episode IX in that there'll be no established romance or children for Kylo/Ben, but he'll be alive and there may be possible hints of something between him and Rey (or maybe another female character we haven't met yet). This will leave Lucasfilm the option of continuing the Skywalker saga without having to commit to anything one way or the other. Of course, in the Star Wars Universe there could always be as yet undiscovered Skywalkers or resurrection through cloning, as cloning is an established process, if they did kill Kylo off without him reproducing. I wouldn't be here if Reylo and Kylo's redemption weren't my preferred options but I think we have to consider the full range of possibilities.
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Post by Xylo Ren on Wed 2 Aug - 16:15

I've never been 100% sure and don't really use "He's the LAST Skywalker so they HAVE to bone" as a big crutch in my argument for Reylo, though it is one of them.

I do think that at the very least, they won't let the last Skywalker die off as some evil villain unredeemed. I believe it will come full circle as Anakin started out in the light, the last Skywalker will end in the light. (Kylo).

I was also thinking how poetic it is for the Skywalkers to just end at three trilogies, three generations. I mean how many other stories can they come up with? Are they going to keep struggling with darkness? That will get old fast.

But then I think about how lonely both Kylo and Rey are and how a family would suit them nicely. These aren't real people, they're characters, 100% created and manipulated by their writers. They purposefully put in this sad commonality of loneliness between them and I don't think that's an accident because as I just said, these aren't some mystery meat concoctions. The writers know exactly what they put into these characters at their conception.
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Post by adamdrivershair on Wed 2 Aug - 16:32

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adamdrivershair wrote:How confident are you guys that there will indeed be Skywalker-focused stories after 9? @ISeeAnIsland I agree that it doesn't make sense for Lucasfilm to close things off at the end of the ST, given how much money they've invested. But Plotgate proved to me that TPTB aren't beyond making surprising choices in the name of artistic integrity.

Maybe they agree with the numerous fanboys who all want the Skywalker saga to wrap up with 9, for storytelling's sake. Maybe KK isn't obscuring the truth when she says that they need to figure out whether there is actually a story worth telling beyond 9 - that it's not a foregone conclusion that there would be more Skywalker stories just because of the money they could make.
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I think with all the emphasis on "The Skywalker Saga," it won't end after 9. Luke might not appear anymore, but somehow there has to either be a continuation of Kylo's story, or a new generation. That's my guess.
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Please let this happen... Why create all these fantastic new characters, the "next generation" for a new generation, and say that's it, Rogue-One style stand-alones from now on?

From my point of view it has to continue somehow - it just shocks me how many fans disagree with that, and makes me wonder.
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Post by panki on Wed 2 Aug - 16:45

One could say I fall into the - I don't want the Skywalker saga to continue group....I honestly feel the force shouldn't be at the beck and call of one family....I would prefer LF to focus on various new characters and their families.

That being said, I ideally want Kylo to be redeemed and have a romance with Rey by the end of episode IX... then their descendant, a Solo, could turn up in later movies as a character....I don't even expect said descendant to be the hero/heroine of a story but they could be one of the main characters.

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