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Post by SoloSideCousin on Sat 3 Jun - 6:34

Okay, I just finished reading the Thrawn book.  Anyone else finish it? @panki, @sangharen, @applecrumble122, @jakkusun, @Irina de France, @CienaRee, @ISeeanIsland, @IoJovi, @vaderito, @Darth_Awakened and of course, @Darth Dingbat  ... anyone else I am forgetting?

I looked to see if anyone had started a thread on it, and I could find anything.  (Granted it's super late here, so I might have missed the thread, lol).  But I have some thoughts on it and would like to hear anyone else's thoughts and discuss the book with them). Very Happy

I'll start the ball rolling.  Big Spoilers included:

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I really liked Thrawn as a character.  He is probably too brilliant, but I think that they are trying to make him like a brilliant Sherlock Holmes, Dr. House kind of character. 

There is definitely something uber-evil in the Unknown Regions ... something that makes the Emperor a possible ally ... OTOH, it's very interesting that Thrawn sends his most trusted ally "home" after he finds out about the Death Star.  Does he still think the threat in the UR is worse than the Emperor now?  But yet, he stays after he is made Grand Admiral, so he must still believe the UR threat is worse.  And what does this imply about the emperor's actions discussed in Aftermath?  Also, we do not know when Eli actually goes.  But I had a big smile on my face when I realized that he was now with the Chiss. :-)

So how long do Chiss live? IOW, could Thrawn actually show up in the ST?

Where is Eli? He would probably be at least a decade older than Luke and Leia, but younger than Vader.  He could probably be alive, yet pretty old, in the ST.

I need to read-over the Aftermath books now that Yularen has been mentioned so much.

When did Thrawn meet Anakin? Was this in TCW or a comic or not shown yet?

I like how Thrawn has hidden the Chiss lands.  Those could eventually be a safe haven of sorts.

Will the ST go to the UR? Or will that be later movies?

Vader is probably very clued in on whatever Thrawn is telling the emperor given the introduction at the end.  Will Thrawn be able to figure out that it's Anakin? Does that get Thrawn killed or ... will Thrawn end up being a helper of sorts to Vader in his search for Luke in the new OT comics ... and maybe an influence for some of Vader's turn back to the light?

I liked a non-forceuser kicking a** and taking names. :-)

Arihnda kind of turns into the non-FS Anakin/Vader doesn't she?

There's more, but I am tired and I want to see what others' impressions are.
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Post by vaderito on Sat 3 Jun - 7:02

@SoloSideCousin I love it too. Fast paced, engaging main characters 

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I was especially thrilled that Arihnda didn't turn out to be a set up for joining the Rebellion but quite the opposite. I'd say she's a female Tarkin.

Oh, and bonus points for Arihna's "you need a teacher" moment with Thrawn at the end.  cheers

Thrawn and Eli are totally shippable.  cherry

Cause Thrawn is indeed like Cumby's Sherlock, and I know that fanboys wanted him to play Thrawn in TFA, I couldn't stop imagining Thrawn as Blue Cumby. 

Loved Chekhov's Gun with the bully from the Academy, that Thrawn set up to become a pilot due to his fighting tactic, and he did become a great one! It's always great when things that seem like a one-off plot device have a payoff later.

The near end with Thrawn and the Rebel leader was great. 

Unknown Regions threat better be Snoke or it's truly pointless.

I hope we get a book that follows Eli and the Chiss.
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Post by SoloSideCousin on Sat 3 Jun - 7:37

vaderito wrote:@SoloSideCousin I love it too. Fast paced, engaging main characters 

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I was especially thrilled that Arihnda didn't turn out to be a set up for joining the Rebellion but quite the opposite. I'd say she's a female Tarkin.

Oh, and bonus points for Arihna's "you need a teacher" moment with Thrawn at the end.  cheers

Thrawn and Eli are totally shippable.  cherry

Cause Thrawn is indeed like Cumby's Sherlock, and I know that fanboys wanted him to play Thrawn in TFA, I couldn't stop imagining Thrawn as Blue Cumby. 

Loved Chekhov's Gun with the bully from the Academy, that Thrawn set up to become a pilot due to his fighting tactic, and he did become a great one! It's always great when things that seem like a one-off plot device have a payoff later.

The near end with Thrawn and the Rebel leader was great. 

Unknown Regions threat better be Snoke or it's truly pointless.

I hope we get a book that follows Eli and the Chiss.
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Yes! I became completely involved with the non-movie characters.  That is not always the case with these books.

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I've never watched Sherlock, so I only have the Rebels animation to go on.  So I thought of someone more symmetrical looking than Cumberbatch like Fassbender or Tom Hiddleston.  I don't know who I thought of as Eli.  Somebody young-ish with dark hair.  I will have to think on that. 

I could see Thrawn and Eli as a ship, lol.  At first I thought there might be something with Arihnda and Thrawn, but then she started going down her bad path so nothing is going to happen with them.

I can see that Tarkin/Arihnda similarity, but she actually still reminds me of Anakin enough because she does some really terrible sith to save her parents at the end, which is similar to Anakin with Padme.  Tarkin never seemed to care enough about anybody for that kind of behavior.  Also, like Anakin she keeps getting caught in snares for a while and she deteriorates morally with each snare.  She's never really that moral to begin with, but like Anakin she seems to get more caught off guard and and falls into rash decisions more than Tarkin, who never seemed to be phased by much of anything.

Thrawn and Nightswan were awesome.  It really is going to make me watch Rebels differently now.

The fighter pilot thing was fantastic.  That was all JK Rowling with an obscure detail becoming important later.  I love that.

Don't worry.  The UR is going to be a big deal.  In many ways Thrawn might be the most reliable narrator in the whole SW canon right now.  If he says something really bad is out there, it is.

I would love an Eli with the Chiss book. Very Happy

I also love how Thrawn is this outsider who can see the problems in both the Republic and the Empire, but isn't so ideological.  He's just about solving problems and saving people's lives whenever he can. 
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Post by vaderito on Sat 3 Jun - 8:45

Agreed!
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Post by jakkusun on Sun 4 Jun - 7:42

@solosidecousin Thanks for tagging me. I'd be interested in discussing. Unfortunately, I haven't read it yet because I've been stuck on a library waiting list for the book, but I think might get my hands on it soon.
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Post by SanghaRen on Mon 5 Jun - 7:02

@SoloSideCousin : thank you for creating the thread. @panki and I had a couple of exchange in the SW Rebels Season 4 thread about Thrawn.

Do we have to use the spoiler tags in a spoiler thread? I am lazy and I sometimes cannot open the spoilers depending on which device I use.

I am the opinion that there will be no character crossover between books/animated series and the ST. There might be names being mentioned as an Easter egg, but even there I am not sure. I know they did that in R1, but that movie was fan service. I think TLJ will be a different beast and will go its own way redefining the mythology with the new characters. Any link to other existing products will be treated as a bonus. The GA is still the main target audience, I think, and you would not want to lose them. They might use parallels. A character in the ST that reminds you of a character in a book, but that would imply that everyone is working closely together to have similar character background and development.

Btw, if I think about all the characters I'd like to be mentioned, the list is getting long: Rae Sloane, Ransolm Casterfo, Lady Carise, Thrawn, Eli, Hera and Kanan (limited chance here), Ezra and I am missing some, I am sure. So sometimes, I'd even prefer if they did not mention anyone. That way, they are still all of equal importance and we can continue to potentially enjoy their presence in more books and/or animated series. I wonder what Dave Filoni will come up with after SWR is wrapped up... Question

I can see the UR being mentioned, but not explored in the ST. The best candidate to mention them is Snoke and it'd make sense he comes from there or has been there. However, I could see them keeping the UR as a mysterious place. Sometimes the less you see, the scarier it is. Example : the first Blair Witch Project versus the second one. Different genre, I know. I am waiting for the book Phasma to reveal if she is a former feral kid. If she is, she might have been on the ship to the UR and we could get some insight on the UR there. Could be, though, that Phasma has completely different origins. She is utterly polite for a former feral kid with her "Sir" here and there. Another thing that might go against the UR being expanded on in the ST is that if linked with Snoke, which is so far the most logical assumption, and with RJ saying that Snoke is not a big focus in TLJ, well, the UR sound more like something kept for the hungry devoted fans. Or they are kept for episode IX as a foil to what I think will be more important i.e. the Jedi Temple and the story of the Jedi. I wonder if Luke and Ben could have gone to the UR... Anyways, there's only so much you can pack in a movie.

Governor Pryce is to me pretty close to the most evil character ever because she represents one of the biggest problem of humanity: greed. Actually, the fact that she goes great length to save her parents does not make her less evil for me. I have my problems with characters walking over corpses to save their loved ones and tbh I am not even sure she does it out of love. I would even ask here "What's love anyway?" since everyone seems to define it differently. Funnily, I am re-watching Lost and just finished the second season. What Michael did, out of "love", is despiccable to me. I realize that I am in the minority because many think that love for your children matters more than anything else, but I can't wrap my head around the fact that compromising your values to save your kid is a heavy burden on your kid's shoulders and if everyone was behaving this way, ready to kill others for your chosen ones, what would the world be like? I guess, what it is now more or less where most people are "Me and my family are ok, scr*** others." Guess, it's a good thing, I don't have kids Smile

This post is getting too long so I'll use up another one later.
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Post by SanghaRen on Sun 18 Jun - 5:29

Don't know where to put that, but it's an interview of Timothy Zahn. I like how he describes the OT trio and that he likes Metallic-Bikini-Leia strangling Jabba and why. It's actually one of my favorite scenes in the OT. To me the fact she was in this metal bikini always added something to the scene. Jabba degraded her into this display doll slave and she turned it back on him. I find it very satisying.

Anyhow, he's talking about the inspiration for Thrawn mentioning Romans, which does make sense.

I found it fascinating being at the writer panel at the SWC how different each writer is. Timothy Zahn looks like the hard-working academic writer and I think he has a systematic approach to writing. A bit like Thrawn with military tactics Smile Chuck Wendig looked more like the rock n' roll guy, cracking jokes left and right. Delilah Dawson looked like the determined newcomer and I can't wait to read Phasma - she writes with a playlist and one included the Fury Road soundtrack!

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Post by jakkusun on Mon 19 Jun - 13:36

Okay I finally read it. xD Probably my favorite Star Wars book right now, after Bloodline.

I thought Thrawn seemed a lot more "good" and even noble in this book than how I saw him in Rebels. I wonder if that is just because this story is from his perspective, though. I certainly do like the character a lot more now. And yeah I feel like I have to rewatch the last season of Rebels because I think the whole way I view the character will be affected by this book.

Because are we intended to believe that he agrees with a lot of rebel ideals, but believes in achieving them through the current power structure? I feel that might be a bit naive of him xD but I suppose it is one way of doing things if he actually believes that the emperor will eventually die and he will be able to influence who gets put in power. Though it means he leaves Wookiees enslaved while he waits to try and change the government for the better. Though, I suppose in the Aftermath books the New Republic sure took their time freeing slaves, too. Gosh why does no one in the galaxy care about freeing slaves?

It is funny that he is similar to Sherlock because Thrawn's voice actor was a villain in Sherlock. haha just a cool coincidence.

I was surprised that I actually kind of liked Pryce, even though she is so cruel and selfish...I found her progression into worse and worse crimes when trying to cover up her initial shooting of the guy who wouldn't let her get her parents out made a lot of sense to me...I could empathize with her sense of almost panic? (idk maybe I was panicking cause I felt like I was going to get caught for all the murders right along with her xD) and even though what she did was horrible, I found it easy to put myself in her shoes and understand her actions, which is scary. I like how it seemed as if the whole galaxy was against her and she was against the whole galaxy. I found her very interesting and a great foil/opposite for Thrawn.

I love Eli, too, I wish he could show up in the next season of Rebels, though I doubt it. I hope Thrawn and Eli can see each other again before Thrawn dies but what if Thrawn dies in Rebels? Anyway, I feel like Eli was maybe a sort of self-insert, every-man type character, which I liked cause it felt like I was getting personally tutored by Thrawn in strategy and tactics. xD

And yeah it would be great if whatever threat Thrawn was talking about it in the Unknown Regions were a reference to Snoke or something related to the ST.
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Post by SoloSideCousin on Fri 6 Oct - 20:57

Hey, some guy on Reddit is saying that there will be a sequel to Thrawn coming out next summer. I hope it's true. I liked that book a lot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsspeculation/comments/74qhz6/grand_admiral_thrawn_will_return_next_summer_in_a/
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Post by Armadeus on Fri 6 Oct - 21:27

Loved the Thrawn novel.

Eli is definitely a new favourite of mine. I like how he's just a normal person who had his own plans for how his life was going to turn out before he and Thrawn were thrown together. I also like how, in the early parts of the book, his perception of Thrawn is a perfect bend of annoyance/fascination, but then as the book nears the end he and Thrawn have really become friends - well, they have mutual trust/respect, at the very least.

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The fact that he went to live/work with the Chiss blew my mind Razz

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There is a disconnect between the Thrawn in Rebels and the Thrawn in the novel. The former is a straight-up bad guy, but the novel gives us someone a bit more interesting.
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Post by jakkusun on Sat 7 Oct - 0:30

@SoloSideCousin It's true! I'm very excited! https://twitter.com/starwars/status/916403734049181697

@Armadeus I wonder if the upcoming season might fix that disconnect or not.
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Post by vaderito on Sat 7 Oct - 8:35

SoloSideCousin wrote:Hey, some guy on Reddit is saying that there will be a sequel to Thrawn coming out next summer. I hope it's true. I liked that book a lot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsspeculation/comments/74qhz6/grand_admiral_thrawn_will_return_next_summer_in_a/
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me too! Big fan, would love a sequel especially if it takes place with the Chiss. I also want Thrown and Eli to finally admit their feelings.
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