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Virgin!Kylo: Yea or Nay?

Post by AnneNeville on 3/28/2016, 9:18 am

This has been one of the hotly debated topics. What are your thoughts: Virgin!Kylo, yea or nay? And why do you think what you think?


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Re: Virgin!Kylo: Yea or Nay?

Post by Sylvia Snow on 3/28/2016, 9:27 am

I'm putting my money on Kylo being a virgin here. He may have some idea about sex but I don't think he ever experience it before. Laughing Laughing Laughing


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Re: Virgin!Kylo: Yea or Nay?

Post by BastilaBey on 3/28/2016, 9:27 am

total virgin. he idolizes vader and knows his weakness was 'love', both for family and his wife. he looks at rey like he's literally just discovered what attraction is. the bridal carry seems instinctive, like he's not even aware of how it comes across
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Re: Virgin!Kylo: Yea or Nay?

Post by AnneNeville on 3/28/2016, 9:30 am



Case closed? More like encased in clothes . . .
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Re: Virgin!Kylo: Yea or Nay?

Post by BastilaBey on 3/28/2016, 9:32 am

@anneneville as far as i am concerned, it's kylo's biggest crime to hide that body under all those layers
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Re: Virgin!Kylo: Yea or Nay?

Post by AnneNeville on 3/28/2016, 9:33 am

@BastilaBey -- Are you fishing for "likes"? Cause I think you're going to get a bunch of them now. Shocked Very Happy
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Re: Virgin!Kylo: Yea or Nay?

Post by FrolickingFizzgig on 3/28/2016, 9:39 am

I definitely think Kylo is a virgin. For me, it's a combination of both the emotional baggage Ren was burdened with since childhood, indoctrination, Snoke's descriptions of him, the inspirations behind his character and Star Wars' genre and target-audience. In my intellectual opinion, which was formed based on evidence in his characterization, he is definitely virginal.

This is an old comment of mine from Jedi Council Forums:

Ren is not an individual who would willingly place himself in such a position of vulnerability, leaving himself open to judgement, to attachment, to pain—not with anybody. Associating Ren with such common mortal attributes somehow betrays my interpretation the character, who was clearly inspired by the Knights Templar and a chaste fairytale prince or princess. Snoke even describes him as "pure" in the novelization, which was based on the shooting script.

I once saw someone use sex as a biological need as proof behind it being unlikely for a 30-year-old to be totally inexperienced sexually, but that's just another example of how fantasy differs from reality. Ren is a character, not a person, and everything about his character paints him as repressed, controlled and conditioned. Sex and intimacy of any kind—especially casual sex—would all fit snugly into a box of human "weaknesses" and "distractions". Ren appears to be quite dismissive of his human imperfections, his "vulnerabilities." He covers himself in layer upon layer of black, even his hands and neck. He is not at peace with himself physically, emotionally or mentally, but ironically he has little control over any of these facets of his being. We see this when he meets Rey. He quickly becomes physically, emotionally and mentally enamoured with her on a base human level, and it's rather incongruous. That's where a lot of their tension and chemistry comes from of you ask me.

Ren is still repressed around her, but his tendency to act on raw instinct causes him to crouch on the ground watching her sleep, to attempt—and fail miserably—at interacting with her, to cast aside his mission and fish through her thoughts and memories, to stare at her face, her lips, her body. Yet he never touches her once, he almost seems to shy away from it, quivering with anticipation, battling with the weakness and vulnerability she is making him feel. Couple that with the fact that she twice leaves him in actual states of vulnerability leads us to a fascinating dynamic.


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Re: Virgin!Kylo: Yea or Nay?

Post by BastilaBey on 3/28/2016, 9:44 am

do you guys also think rey is a virgin? i am less sure about her, even though she is younger and childlike in lots of ways. i think she may be just based on how thrown she is by ren in the interrogation
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Re: Virgin!Kylo: Yea or Nay?

Post by CienaRee on 3/28/2016, 9:46 am

@BastiallaBey,I'm 100% sure Rey's a virgin.She didn't like Finn touching her and in the Before The Awakening novel it's mentioned that Rey never works with other scavengers because she only trusts herself so virgin for sure.

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Re: Virgin!Kylo: Yea or Nay?

Post by BastilaBey on 3/28/2016, 9:49 am

@CienaRee wrote:@BastiallaBey,I'm 100% sure Rey's a virgin.She didn't like Finn touching her and in the Before The Awakening novel it's mentioned that Rey never works with other scavengers because she only trusts herself so virgin for sure.
You are probably right, she's described as a loner in that book and Finn is her first friend. If it wasn't a Disney movie, I'd say Rey would have had to do some pretty tragic things in order to survive as a young woman on Jakku but clearly that's not going to be part of her character's canon.
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Re: Virgin!Kylo: Yea or Nay?

Post by FrolickingFizzgig on 3/28/2016, 9:54 am

@BastilaBey wrote:do you guys also think rey is a virgin? i am less sure about her, even though she is younger and childlike in lots of ways. i think she may be just based on how thrown she is by ren in the interrogation
It's not even a question for me. Rey, Finn and Ren are all virgins. Children's fairytale/coming-of-age story basically demands it.

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Re: Virgin!Kylo: Yea or Nay?

Post by panki on 3/28/2016, 9:56 am

I feel Snoke wants to keep him untouched both physically and emotionally for whatever nefarious purpose he has....if anything brings out emotions like light and compassion, Snoke wants to get rid of it....so I can't imagine Snoke letting him even take off his gloves to touch someone, let alone disrobe.

Kylo Ren reminds me of a dark version of a Vestal Virgin, who has avoided social and familial commitments to focus on learning and spiritual powers (mastery over the Force in this case)

I know this sounds silly but Kylo unmasking reminded me of this painting of a Vestal Virgin by Frederick Leighton.

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Re: Virgin!Kylo: Yea or Nay?

Post by Darth Dingbat on 3/28/2016, 9:57 am

It's funny though, many people have said that Rey and Finn are obviously virgins as well because of the way they grew up. Rey, yes, I think so - but I'm less sure about Finn. He grew up in close quarters with other young people of both sexes, and he doesn't seem shy and awkward at all. The FO may be a controlling environment, but no controlling regime can control a massive number of hormonal youngsters growing up in barracks or a military academy or wherever it is they were brought up. Nor is it in the FO's best interests to keep all those young people frustrated.


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Re: Virgin!Kylo: Yea or Nay?

Post by MoonFyre on 3/28/2016, 9:57 am

Virgin. Judging by his demeanor and get up, he's like a guy who doesn't want to be touched and not comfortable with intimacy. After the unmasking and before the mind probe, there's also a moment when he acted like an awkward teenager.

@BastilaBey wrote:total virgin. he idolizes vader and knows his weakness was 'love', both for family and his wife. he looks at rey like he's literally just discovered what attraction is. the bridal carry seems instinctive, like he's not even aware of how it comes across

This is the awakening for Kylo in TFA...

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Re: Virgin!Kylo: Yea or Nay?

Post by Darth_Awakened on 3/28/2016, 9:59 am

Of course he is a virgin. Razz
Kylo is not weak and foolish like his father. Twisted Evil
I am just imagining the same poll for Han Solo in ANH (mwahahaha)


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Re: Virgin!Kylo: Yea or Nay?

Post by Darth Dingbat on 3/28/2016, 10:00 am

@vaderito wrote:
@panki wrote:I feel Snoke wants to keep him untouched both physically and emotionally for whatever nefarious purpose he has....if anything brings out emotions like light and compassion, Snoke wants to get rid of it....so I can't imagine Snoke letting him even take off his gloves to touch one, let alone disrobe.

Kylo Ren reminds me of a dark version of a Vestal Virgin, who has avoided social and familial commitments to focus on learning and spiritual powers (mastery over the Force in this case)

I know this sounds silly but Kylo unmasking reminded me of this patining of a Vestal Virgin by Frederick Leighton.




This is the most brilliant Virgin!Kylo comparison ever! cheers  I'm 100% behind this. 100%. It also explains why Snoke would encourage it. perhaps being untouched enhances the power?

Could be. Snoke in the novelisation does wax poetic about Ren being "pure".
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Re: Virgin!Kylo: Yea or Nay?

Post by FrolickingFizzgig on 3/28/2016, 10:06 am

Darth Dingleberry wrote:It's funny though, many people have said that Rey and Finn are obviously virgins as well because of the way they grew up. Rey, yes, I think so - but I'm less sure about Finn. He grew up in close quarters with other young people of both sexes, and he doesn't seem shy and awkward at all. The FO may be a controlling environment, but no controlling regime can control a massive number of hormonal youngsters growing up in barracks or a military academy or wherever it is they were brought up. Nor is it in the FO's best interests to keep all those young people frustrated.
I think it would be hard to prove that in the context of the actual story though. The confusion comes from the fact that Finn's characterization really conflicts with what we hear about the First Order's indoctrination of child-soldiers. People disagree because while the First Order seems to state one thing, Finn himself states another thing (and acts a certain way). It's irritating to me... one of the things that proves what character(s) the writers were really intent on focusing on. They cared more about creating a gigantic "energy of the sun as a weapon/rebirth of the sun" metaphor for Ren than they did fixing Finn's ridiculous, contradictory characterization.

I'm going to stick with my personal interpretation that Rey, Ren and Finn are all virgins because it just fits with the way I view the story.
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