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Post by ladyconsular on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 1:26 pm

Maybe that scene with Rey and Leia, and Leia looking past her really is Luke and Kylo showing up. She flew ahead to warn her. They are outside where maybe the ships land?

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Post by FrolickingFizzgig on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 1:35 pm

@vaderito wrote:It seems to me that "long reported coma" was false. Jason even said in one of older podcasts that he has seen no evidence of it, and judging by Leia's appearance on Crait, it never happened. @ZioRen

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On Ahch-To Luke asks Rey who the heck she, snatches Anakin's lightsaber out of her hand and possibly orders that she leave. Rey is upset and a little distraught when she is faced with the notion that Luke--the Jedi master whom she thought she was going to retrieve--turns out to be nothing like she imagined.

yes and they spend the time on Ahch-to until she leaves or they leave together but it curently looks like only she and Chewie make it to the Resistance. There was this lego set rumor that shows Luke, Kylo and Kylo's TIE Fighter. Could they go in one direction and Rey and Chewie in another? or could either or both be with Rey but images don't reveal it? Considering that Kylo/Leia are now a real possibility.


Finn wakes up in some kind of suit, healed after his ordeal with Kylo on SKB. Turns out he's now infamous in the Resistance and considered a hero. He's still unsure about his role in the Resistance, but embraces his popularity and ends up on some kind of mission with a nobody mechanic who may lose her much more accomplished sister in an accident.

Finn is actually the easiest to track cause we have scenes with him from the beginning (coma on D'Qar) to the end (gunner/pilot costume and new hair on Crait). Ditto Rose, from D'Qar to Crait. In between, they fly in a transport pod, go to Canto Bight's casino and prison, are chased by speeders while riding a space horse, break DJ out of prison, pretend to be FO officers on Snoke's mega ship, Finn fights Phasma and gives her Skywalker special, he and Rose return to Crait and get new hair, and he gets gunner uniform presumably to fight in the battle.

Kylo goes to meet with Snoke fully garbed in his helmet and with a new cape. He ends up having some kind of intense conversation or confrontation with Snoke that leads to Snoke possibly melting his helmet. Kylo ends up in the elevator and finishes the job of smashing the helmet himself. He's more convinced than ever that he has something to prove, but is also completely lost because he was wrong that killing Han would rid him of his conflict.

So he fights on D'Qar with his mighty TIE Fighter, than goes to Ahch-to with some drunken knights who get their butts kicked, likely ends up a sorta prisoner to Luke and rey until Luke blows up the hut (that may allow him to escape but maybe they all get shown the door by Guardians of the Whills and end up on crait or Rey ends up on Crait and Kylo who knows. Then Luke goes for Snoke and Rey for Kylo.

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The bolded is a big deal for me. It's hard to declare Kylo has no scenes when there are gaps like "who knows". Things aren't lining up for Kylo right now because we're missing scenes/information. Heck, we can't even pinpoint a development trajectory because it's impossible to even know what characters he interacts with, in what order and what it leads to. If Leia and Kylo do reunite, where and when? What happens between them on Ahch-To, what's with the Guardians of the Whills book/dudes and how do they all end up on opposite sides at the end? Or is Kylo acting at the end? The movie goes from melted/destroyed helmet Kylo to puppy Kylo to Ahch-To lightsaber battle Kylo to hut Kylo to Leia Reunion Kylo to ????
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Re: Discussion: Spoilers/Rumors

Post by ladyconsular on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 1:38 pm

The scene with Hux has the same lighting as the scene with Snoke's place and the shattered mask, so the losing his mask scene could be early in the movie.

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Re: Discussion: Spoilers/Rumors

Post by vaderito on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 1:41 pm

@FrolickingFizzgig There's no coma unless it happens late on Crait.

As for Kylo and Leia, scenarios that I see:

somehow they meet during the D'Qar attack but unlikely?

Kylo is taken to Crait by Rey/Chewie and Luke? (his whereabouts after Ahch-to are as mysterious as Kylo's)

Now when you think about it, "Luke goes for Snoke and Rey goes for Kylo near the end of the movie" is interesting. Why would she go for him long after they split on Ahhc-to? But if he was taken to crait but escaped, she could go for him thinking he'd betray them to Snoke or whatever.
We need info. We know all about Finn and Rose and Poe but Kylo is a mystery and so is luke after Ahch-to.
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Re: Discussion: Spoilers/Rumors

Post by ladyconsular on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 1:44 pm

@vaderito wrote:@FrolickingFizzgig There's no coma unless it happens late on Crait.

As for Kylo and Leia, scenarios that I see:

somehow they meet during the D'Qar attack but unlikely?

Kylo is taken to Crait by Rey/Chewie and Luke? (his whereabouts after Ahch-to are as mysterious as Kylo's)

Now when you think about it, "Luke goes for Snoke and Rey goes for Kylo near the end of the movie" is interesting. Why would she go for him long after they split on Ahhc-to? But if he was taken to crait but escaped, she could go for him thinking he'd betray them to Snoke or whatever.
We need info. We know all about Finn and Rose and Poe but Kylo is a mystery and so is luke after Ahch-to.
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That's what I meant by we won't know where Kylo stands until the end of the movie. I think the possible Kylo and Rey fighting guards will be when Kylo shows whose side he's chosen, and to many (not us) it'll be shocking.

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Re: Discussion: Spoilers/Rumors

Post by FrolickingFizzgig on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 1:52 pm

@vaderito wrote:@FrolickingFizzgig There's no coma unless it happens late on Crait.

As for Kylo and Leia, scenarios that I see:

somehow they meet during the D'Qar attack but unlikely?

Kylo is taken to Crait by Rey/Chewie and Luke? (his whereabouts after Ahch-to are as mysterious as Kylo's)

Now when you think about it, "Luke goes for Snoke and Rey goes for Kylo near the end of the movie" is interesting. Why would she go for him long after they split on Ahhc-to? But if he was taken to crait but escaped, she could go for him thinking he'd betray them to Snoke or whatever.
We need info. We know all about Finn and Rose and Poe but Kylo is a mystery and so is luke after Ahch-to.
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There's something hella weird going on with everything post the Ahch-To battle. It's like, WTF happens with Kylo??? We can only wait and see, but Kylo is present and something big is going to happen with his character before the end.
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Re: Discussion: Spoilers/Rumors

Post by ReyofLightSide on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 1:57 pm

@ladyconsular wrote:
@vaderito wrote:@FrolickingFizzgig There's no coma unless it happens late on Crait.

As for Kylo and Leia, scenarios that I see:

somehow they meet during the D'Qar attack but unlikely?

Kylo is taken to Crait by Rey/Chewie and Luke? (his whereabouts after Ahch-to are as mysterious as Kylo's)

Now when you think about it, "Luke goes for Snoke and Rey goes for Kylo near the end of the movie" is interesting. Why would she go for him long after they split on Ahhc-to? But if he was taken to crait but escaped, she could go for him thinking he'd betray them to Snoke or whatever.
We need info. We know all about Finn and Rose and Poe but Kylo is a mystery and so is luke after Ahch-to.
@vaderito

That's what I meant by we won't know where Kylo stands until the end of the movie. I think the possible Kylo and Rey fighting guards will be when Kylo shows whose side he's chosen, and to many (not us) it'll be shocking.
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Maybe it starts similar to the vision from the Force back- Kylo kills someone from the FO before they have a chance to kill Rey
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Re: Discussion: Spoilers/Rumors

Post by ladyconsular on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 2:03 pm

@ReyofLightSide wrote:
@ladyconsular wrote:
@vaderito wrote:@FrolickingFizzgig There's no coma unless it happens late on Crait.

As for Kylo and Leia, scenarios that I see:

somehow they meet during the D'Qar attack but unlikely?

Kylo is taken to Crait by Rey/Chewie and Luke? (his whereabouts after Ahch-to are as mysterious as Kylo's)

Now when you think about it, "Luke goes for Snoke and Rey goes for Kylo near the end of the movie" is interesting. Why would she go for him long after they split on Ahhc-to? But if he was taken to crait but escaped, she could go for him thinking he'd betray them to Snoke or whatever.
We need info. We know all about Finn and Rose and Poe but Kylo is a mystery and so is luke after Ahch-to.
@vaderito

That's what I meant by we won't know where Kylo stands until the end of the movie. I think the possible Kylo and Rey fighting guards will be when Kylo shows whose side he's chosen, and to many (not us) it'll be shocking.
@ladyconsular

Maybe it starts similar to the vision from the Force back- Kylo kills someone from the FO before they have a chance to kill Rey
@ReyofLightSide

Didn't they say some of the forceback flashes were hints of what's to come?

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Re: Discussion: Spoilers/Rumors

Post by vaderito on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 2:14 pm

@FrolickingFizzgig wrote:  
There's something hella weird going on with everything post the Ahch-To battle. It's like, WTF happens with Kylo??? We can only wait and see, but Kylo is present and something big is going to happen with his character before the end.
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I need an actual quote from John about Civil War but the catalyst for that was Bucky aka the Winter Solider. Remember Winder!Kylo? So lets say John teased a spoiler. That would be that the good guys are split over a character that some think should be tried/punished and others think should be helped out or at least they support the defender. I could see Poe being against Kylo but Finn being pro. or something. I mena, if Kylo does end up with the Resistance somehow at the end of TLJ, than some clash over him is inevitable in IX. So lets say Rey's indeed with Snoke and Finn wants Kylo's help to find her but Poe's, like, he's going to jail, trial, execution, etc. So Finn and Rose and I dunno Chewie or R2 or BB8 form one side and Poe and his squad and Chewie or R2 or BB8 are opposing side. Could be really good.

@Xylo ren I need a cap of 1:23 and 1:24 to see what is Finn in gunner/pilot uniform standing in front of. There's something (ship?)
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Re: Discussion: Spoilers/Rumors

Post by Cowgirlsamurai on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 2:22 pm

@ladyconsular wrote:
@ReyofLightSide wrote:
@ladyconsular wrote:
@vaderito wrote:@FrolickingFizzgig There's no coma unless it happens late on Crait.

As for Kylo and Leia, scenarios that I see:

somehow they meet during the D'Qar attack but unlikely?

Kylo is taken to Crait by Rey/Chewie and Luke? (his whereabouts after Ahch-to are as mysterious as Kylo's)

Now when you think about it, "Luke goes for Snoke and Rey goes for Kylo near the end of the movie" is interesting. Why would she go for him long after they split on Ahhc-to? But if he was taken to crait but escaped, she could go for him thinking he'd betray them to Snoke or whatever.
We need info. We know all about Finn and Rose and Poe but Kylo is a mystery and so is luke after Ahch-to.
@vaderito

That's what I meant by we won't know where Kylo stands until the end of the movie. I think the possible Kylo and Rey fighting guards will be when Kylo shows whose side he's chosen, and to many (not us) it'll be shocking.
@ladyconsular

Maybe it starts similar to the vision from the Force back- Kylo kills someone from the FO before they have a chance to kill Rey
@ReyofLightSide

Didn't they say some of the forceback flashes were hints of what's to come?
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I personally don't think that's what's happening in that scene from the vision, but Nope
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Re: Discussion: Spoilers/Rumors

Post by ladyconsular on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 2:23 pm

@Cowgirlsamurai wrote:
@ladyconsular wrote:
@ReyofLightSide wrote:
@ladyconsular wrote:
@vaderito wrote:@FrolickingFizzgig There's no coma unless it happens late on Crait.

As for Kylo and Leia, scenarios that I see:

somehow they meet during the D'Qar attack but unlikely?

Kylo is taken to Crait by Rey/Chewie and Luke? (his whereabouts after Ahch-to are as mysterious as Kylo's)

Now when you think about it, "Luke goes for Snoke and Rey goes for Kylo near the end of the movie" is interesting. Why would she go for him long after they split on Ahhc-to? But if he was taken to crait but escaped, she could go for him thinking he'd betray them to Snoke or whatever.
We need info. We know all about Finn and Rose and Poe but Kylo is a mystery and so is luke after Ahch-to.
@vaderito

That's what I meant by we won't know where Kylo stands until the end of the movie. I think the possible Kylo and Rey fighting guards will be when Kylo shows whose side he's chosen, and to many (not us) it'll be shocking.
@ladyconsular

Maybe it starts similar to the vision from the Force back- Kylo kills someone from the FO before they have a chance to kill Rey
@ReyofLightSide

Didn't they say some of the forceback flashes were hints of what's to come?
@ladyconsular

I personally don't think that's what's happening in that scene from the vision, but Nope
@Cowgirlsamurai

I'm wondering if he saves her on Ach-To like in that vision, is that when he surrenders and lets them bring him back with them.

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Re: Discussion: Spoilers/Rumors

Post by Marchtwin on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 2:25 pm

So apparently Kylo's ship is ''Tie Silencer''

https://www.facebook.com/StarWars/videos/1589066784478250/
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Post by Cowgirlsamurai on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 2:26 pm

@ladyconsular

What I mean is, I don't think he's saving her in that vision. I think she's a fly on the wall, not actually present. He might become aware of her after she stands and he turns to face her suddenly, but that's speculative.
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Re: Discussion: Spoilers/Rumors

Post by vaderito on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 2:27 pm

I'm addicted to BTS music, especially after 1:04:

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Post by EchoBase on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 2:27 pm

https://twitter.com/starwars/status/887752000447709184

They show Kylo's "tie silencer" right at the beginning.

And who the hell is "sienar jaemus"?


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Post by ladyconsular on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 2:28 pm

@Cowgirlsamurai wrote:@ladyconsular

What I mean is, I don't think he's saving her in that vision. I think she's a fly on the wall, not actually present. He might become aware of her after she stands and he turns to face her suddenly, but that's speculative.
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It's pretty hard to say since the snow fight became real.

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Post by EchoBase on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 2:33 pm




Really cool.

Edit: obviously the name of the ship was already leaked a few days ago with the pinball game:

https://twitter.com/impsenatepod/status/885999697768402944


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Post by ladyconsular on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 2:34 pm

I am facepalming at all the Twitter comments about Kylo being the villain. Many disappointed people will be exiting the theater in Dec.

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Post by vaderito on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 2:39 pm

@EchoBase wrote:


Really cool.
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Gorgeous like it's pilot. OK, nobody is fairer than its pilot. he truly is the Snow White of Star Wars.


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Post by Cowgirlsamurai on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 2:39 pm

@ladyconsular wrote:
@Cowgirlsamurai wrote:@ladyconsular

What I mean is, I don't think he's saving her in that vision. I think she's a fly on the wall, not actually present. He might become aware of her after she stands and he turns to face her suddenly, but that's speculative.
@Cowgirlsamurai

It's pretty hard to say since the snow fight became real.
@ladyconsular

I personally think that vision is from the past, like Luke and the fire. The knights are with him and there are dead bodies all around. Can't imagine Kylo doing that in the future, especially after he destroys the mask...
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Post by snufkin on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 2:40 pm

So first the Finalizer, now the Silencer. The FO can't even name their ships after former heroes, it has to be extra melodramatic like we have the final word as we silence our opponents? The rhetoric is so over the top that I'm surprised that Bloodline didn't include something about how part of their In the Shadows operation was a chain of Crossfit gyms across the galaxy.
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Post by EchoBase on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 2:44 pm

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Post by vaderito on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 2:46 pm

This ship is a super star. More images:





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Post by FrolickingFizzgig on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 2:46 pm

@snufkin wrote:So first the Finalizer, now the Silencer. The FO can't even name their ships after former heroes, it has to be extra melodramatic like we have the final word as we silence our opponents? The rhetoric is so over the top that I'm surprised that Bloodline didn't include something about how part of their In the Shadows operation was a chain of Crossfit gyms across the galaxy.
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Kind of a silly name but the ship looks cool, so no complaints from me. Laughing

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Okay, so I want to get to the bottom of this even though I'll never be able to. If Rey and Chewie end up at the Resistance together and Luke and Kylo are both MIA post Ahch-To, is it reasonable to assume they could be together? The four of them split up, Luke with Kylo on the Tie Silencer (now that we have a name for it) and Rey with Chewie on the Falcon. Question is, is Kylo the captive or is Luke the captive? And how does this result in a reunion with Leia? Hmm.
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Re: Discussion: Spoilers/Rumors

Post by Cowgirlsamurai on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 2:46 pm

@EchoBase

Who comes up with this stuff and how do they keep it all straight? confused Laughing


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